RE: Morder Collage
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There's enough food in the world for everyone, but not everyone can access it
https://reliefweb.int/report/world/theres-enough-food-world-everyone-not-everyone-can-access-it
Yeah, I've read about this issue many times. But one thing is a theory, and other thing is what actually is happening. And fact is - there are plenty of people that hardly can afford to feed their families.
More so - there are many countries with huge overproduction of the food in general, not only dairy or meat products, which seem insane if you think about it. Plus you have the tons of the food that supermarkets just throw away, because is either doesn't look 'attractive' anymore or is close to due date.
But to think of this from the animal industry aspect, if we would think that there's not enough food in the world it makes no sense at all to first grow grain to feed the animals that we then eat. It would make more sense to eat that grain meant for the animals. That's my food industry point.
But think about it for a second longer - how would you want to enforce laws that prevent people from eating meat? If not prevent - even convince people to eat less of it? As you pointed out - small farmers aren't at fault here, they should be able to grow and eat their own food, but they are struggling everyday. Do you know how often farmers burn their own crops to keep the price high? Why they have to do it? Becouse price is so low, that hardly can afford living.
Talking about greedy:
I guess by now (2023) on average Finns eat about 80 to 90 kg meat per year per person. Let's make it 85 kg. And I think that's a huge amount! It's about 230 grams per day and that's a medium to large size stake in a restaurant here. On average I eat that amount of meat perhaps in a week! So that means that when you count all the Finns who do not eat meat at all and people who eat relatively small amounts like I do, there are people who eat huge amounts of meat. 500 g or 1 kg or more per day and that sounds really sickening every way I think of it.
This actually is scary. Why do you think those stats look like this? Is is traditional to eat loads of meat? In my family home we would have proper meat -meal only once a week, usually at Sunday, you know, big, family dinner. I am hardly eating meat these days at all, not only because I feel bad about it - although I do, but I am questioning its quality. I live now in UK now, and in comparison to Poland - my home country, I think the food standards here are just disastrous.
Yes exactly and then there's that. And sometimes there's even regulations that the food can not be donated away. Fortunately there also are charities that collect food that markets can't sell to customers anymore, when the restrictions don't prevent it. Charities that give the food away locally to anyone who needs it. Things are getting better but it's not enough. And it only fixes a bit the symptoms, poverty by giving away food, not the sickness which is that not all people can afford to buy the food which isn't only about food being too expensive but people not having jobs or not making enough money from the work they have. So lots of other issues behind poverty.
I wouldn't. I don't want laws that patronize people. People are omnivores and can be that if they want. Some like the taste of meat. And even though eating meat shortens ones life like smoking and excessive drinking I would never want to patronize people and prevent people from eating meat.
But I would try to influence the way people think about eating animals. To respect the life of animals, treat them well and not think that eating meat is a necessity or that they need to eat excessive amounts of meat. If one wants to eat meat, it should be happy animals meat if you know what I mean. Not tortured animals in poor conditions.
I know that change would not be immediate but I think it surely would be better than forcing people into something they are reluctant to do.
And of course prices. Meat shouldn't be cheaper than vegetables, fruit or grain because much more natural resources are used in growing meat. So taking care that food producers get enough and controlling that the distributors wouldn't overprice the healthy food in the markets would be one of the things I would do.
This is so crazy! Rainforests and all forests are giver of life but instead of inventing a way to combine old traditions of living of and with the forest and combining it with modern world we burn it and cultivate food for animals which we eat. And like in so many cases, it is the big companies that determine the prices with which smaller farmers have no way of surviving. Totally nuts.
I have no idea. I think there's no tradition in Finland to eat loads and loads of meat, at least among the people I know. Few years ago, or perhaps a decade or two ago, oh I don't know, time goes by so fast nowadays, people started to be more aware about the affects of eating meat. It's environmental impact and what it does to your body. And although there still are people who deny all of this, most do believe the facts: it's not good for individuals or the earth to eat too much meat. Nevertheless at the same time as there's more and more vegetarian options available and there's more awareness, the amount of meat eaten per person in a year has risen. Almost all over the world. So my only explanation is that there's a group of people who think: "You do not boss me around so now more than ever I'm eating meat more than ever!"
Same thing like if there are adds that people should save energy and fuel and think of the environment there are those who shout out loud: "Oh I'm buying a Humvee, driving with it everywhere, even 10 meter journeys, keeping my lights on all the time, heating my outdoor pool to 30 degrees of Celsius in the winter, buying 10.000 W lights to my front yard and keeping my electric sauna on all the time, even on nights and warming my backyard grass with electric power and cutting it with my Humvee and also throwing my garbage everywhere so that poor people can pick it up!"
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That's the image in my head.
Sorry for the incredibly looooooong response. I got carried away.
To be honest, we could go about it on an on. I totally agree with you. Giving a fish instead of a fishing rod is just short-term solution, if we can call it 'a solution' at all.
I do appreciate your idealist sentiment behind education and all, where truth is - all knowledge, thanks to internet, is accessible to everybody. The videos from slaughterhouses, statistics, thousand of docu-series about not only bestiality of industrial food processing but about diets, making ourselves healthy and fit and all. I really don't believe that people are so ignorant or short-sighted. I think people nowadays are plain hypocrites and self-centred narcissist. They know, but just to choose not to care. I am not saying, there are no good, reasonable people, that have wellbeing others, animals, environment and such at heart. I only challenge the argument that people do not realise the consequences of their actions and choices.
I really hope I am mistaken on this one, but don't think I am.
If you go down this rabbit hole - gets even worse, for instance: the avocados or the kopi luwak coffee. Virtually everything that at some point become extremely popular food(like soy bean years back, when vegetarian diets became a big thing) - get taken over by huge companies - it actually stop being what it once was - good quality food, that is quite expensive, but great quality. So now we have those poor civet cats in tiny cages, fed with nothing but coffee beans, even though they should eat plenty other things. Again - cats that lives in the wild on trees - in cages...
Avocado leave huge carbon foot print, but not only that
https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/features/is-our-avocado-obsession-destroying-the-planet/
I just simply not understand, why we cannot just buying local food? Our digestive systems would be surely thankful :)
Exactly my point... I would say that we are on the same page on this one 🤣
I am sorry too. Feel really powerless about it, not gonna lie. I really appreciate your time though, with all the links and stuff.
I hope you are well, and see you next time, eh?
It's true that the internet and libraries are available to most and most people perhaps do not use it all the time to seek facts or learn more. Laziness, the need to rely on easy answers and too many darn cat videos. Then again I recently read (listened actually) a book called "Factfulness" by Hans Rosling, Ola Rosling, Anna Rosling Ronnlund which basically showed through statistical facts that things are better that what we think they are. Not to say that there aren't places where things are really bad for certain people, minorities, animals and nature, but there are more than ever good things too and worldwide the average person has never been richer and better educated than now. Of course there certainly is less forests in the world than 100 years ago but deforestation we can not only blame the modern society and humans nowadays. It's just that today destroying nature is faster and easier and also we know the stuff that happens in the other side of the world almost instantly, if we choose so. The more knowledge, the more pain. Especially when the news agencies usually pick the tragedies, not those stories that basically say every day: "Today, everything is well, just like it was yesterday." The boring news.
But we know more than our parents and they know/knew more than their parents and so on. And the future is in the young people. And although there are efficient ways to influences us everyone, social information, ads, infoads, teachers, governments, incentives and sometimes laws, there are also plenty of ways to influence us with opposite opinions: misinformation, disinformation, corporate and politicians lies and propaganda.
But the ones that are young now, young adults and children, will be (most of them) better than what we ever were, know more and be wiser so although there are evil forces out there (oh, how fairy tell like, evil forces...) there are also wise young people who know better. I mean, we now know not to spray DDT on kids by the pool and also know that it's a good thing for a doctor to wash their hands before surgery. Especially if coming straight from the morgue.
But from the morgue subject to being well, I surely am well. And I hope you are too!
So until the next time, toodaloo!
I would hope for people to be better, and better, but social media and stuff like tik-tok shows otherwise :D
But from health perspective - yeah, we know better, just getting lazy!