RE: After dedicating 5.5 years to Hive/Steem, I've been informed by KING ACIDYO that I added no value
You are viewing a single comment's thread:
I see the value in Dpos if implemented right. Stake is valuable and there should be perks for hodling, but it doesn't need to give one more power than another in governance, for example. I don't think it needs to be done away with, but think it could use a restructuring.
The problem is, those who get to make the decision to do so are unlikely to give up that power. None of the forks(alternatives using the exact first layer) have addressed this, so I don't see them as an answer to much.
0
0
0.000
It's pretty simple really. If you want to remove stakeholder votes from rewards, then remove stakeholders as the ones paying the rewards from inflation. Create a new system with rewards paid for and controlled by a subcommunity with different allocation rules, or rewards coming from ad revenue and allocated in some other way, or something else.
I don't think it is necessary for DPoS to involve rewards at all. The social posting and rewarding system just happens to be an app that was built on the chain, but it's not the only way, and not part of DPoS itself.
I think only people who secure the network should even be rewarded with Hive. 2nd layer solutions that are out now easily can reward people in specific tokens for a community.
Fine with me. The social app is basically an app. It happened to be built into the blockchain, but from a software design or blockchain consensus point of view there really isn't any reason for it. The model of "smart contract" used in Bitshares (predecessor of Steem, predecessor of Hive) was code included in the core blockchain consensus code itself, but the world has moved on and that's not really seen as ideal at this point. The social app should probably be second layer, yes.
So stakeholders are paying inflation that they have not earned or received yet, but post author and voter rewards aren't theirs until the receive them?
Rules for thee but not for me.
Stakeholders are paying for inflation every single block no matter what they do, because they are the ones being inflated. If you show up looking for rewards with low or no stake, inflation doesn't cost you anything. And that's perfectly okay, the system is designed to potentially reward you, and maybe you will get some rewards, but you're not entitled to them nor entitled to much of a say over who gets them.
Stakeholders can't avoid being inflated (well, at least not without a hard fork), but they can and do have a say (in proportion to their stake, i.e. contribution to the cost of inflation) over what that inflation is used for.
That means, if I understand it correctly, that those who are squinting at their payouts here are stupid enough to believe what it says on the box? Well, insofar as I myself trust the advertising that is made for a product, I haven't learned very much in life, have I?
However, shouldn't it then rain downvotes for postings that do marketing and have catchwords on their packaging that suggest something on the social app that can't really be adhered to there, because the actors suggest to the curious customer that he can find a livelihood here? In any case, I see the upvotes fluttering in everywhere in praise of these "unimagined possibilities". Consequently, you should basically take the wind out of the sails of such postings too, because they suggest something that goes against the purely rational principle of block building.
If you took away the social app altogether, what would be left? A pure cryptocurrency that wants to experience being traded and financial transactions without banks as intermediaries in between? But where is Hive traded? Not on binance and kraken, as far as I know. As we are experiencing, anonymous transactions are not tolerated or crypto trading platforms are pulling out of it, or am I seeing this wrong? I am not a pro at all of this.
A cynic might say that it is these hopefuls who take the advertising for granted and spread enthusiasm that basically ensure that their own illusion is maintained. The emotionless calculating stakeholder who is in charge here can be quite happy with that, can't he?
If I understand Hive as a casino (which I think, comes closest to what it is), where I play with chips, wouldn't it be the case that I also want to exchange these chips at some point?
Why then all the fuss about social engagement, as read above? Why the mantra of "holding"? Why is it that individual bloggers are expected to engage in their comment sections? Things are being mixed up here that seem to contradict each other.
The jester would probably laugh and say, "Well, we never said you couldn't make a living on Hive, however, we don't rule out that possibility either."
That's basically a form of promise without a promise. It can be done, of course, and we see it being done. Looking at it that way, one could interject that those who believe the advertisements are also the ones doing the advertising. Advertising is always tied to the emotional sensations people experience through it. To that extent, I could dismiss it as romantic nonsense. But still give my thumbs up - lol
You just can't say that too loudly, because then you'd probably be stoned from all sides, both by the hopeful bloggers and by those who are in charge here, because it just doesn't play well, does it?
I don't worry in that respect, I do not put my woe and well to this place, for the better wisdom. With my acquired stake I can, as they say, do what I want, can't I?
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Where does it say you are entitled to rewards on any particular post?
I think, I made that obvious.
You have the marketers, right? And you have the white paper. Those two don't go always together, that much seems to be clear to me.
I did not say anything about entitlement, did I?
There is some marketing. It could definitely be better.
Every post is marketing.
Not all are effective
One thing that posts resulting in folks coming to Hive to read them feature is payout, and prior to that, potential payout. Since it's not a feature on most articles folks investigating a topic find on articles, it's likely to be noted with interest.
In cases where a well researched and written post is affected by significant downvoting, that is tantamount to a flag on Hive itself, potentially eliminating the marketing power of such posts altogether.
When such things happen, we're shooting ourselves in the foot.
It's all a matter of degree.
:) The answer is: probably nowhere in this exact term, as far as I can tell.
But it's the suggestion which is out there, big time. As I said, you can say "it's nowhere said, so why would anyone assume it?" And my answer is "because, in various and colorful ways, its the underlaying message". Would you really say that this is not the case?
The marketing around rewards has never been great. I don't disagree with numerous wrong impressions being given. We should work to improve it, but communicating about a complex system to an audience who aren't experts on the technology isn't that easy either.
Agreed. Basically, advertising is never very accurate. It's over the top or it's meaningless. Advertising, by its nature, wants to draw attention to something and uses the simplest of means: emotional appeal.
My initial assertion that anyone who does not know this has not yet learned much in life stands by it :)
I don't believe that anything can be improved in advertising for this reason. It is what it is. It cannot tell the truth and it cannot convey complexity.
So I would agree with you that it is not easy and even add: it is impossible. I like to come to this realization. It has to be "talked through" for me.
It is what we do NOT say that an observant and life experienced mind nevertheless recognises.
People need to know for themselves what they take away from something they want to be a part of. To see oneself as a victim because one has been "misled" is therefore a less than honest argument, just as it is dishonest of marketers to suggest that there is some kind of equal opportunity for all. So insofar as we recognise that everyone is nevertheless hypocritical as well as carrying a share of knowledge with them, we can rest easy, can't we?
Where it gets tricky is when a trend is suspected that involves the overwhelming of currently politically unpopular views. There is undeniable evidence of this, which does not stop at online communication. What appears to be the stronger power out there is also expressed here. Where there is a powerful overhang in the experienced "outside reality", here in the online communication space there is a very sensitive reaction to any form of oppression or where this is perceived as such. I think we know the hottest issues.
My (unasked for - lol ) suggestion to you would be to perhaps make a surprisingly different decision from the ones you are known for? I don't know you, so I can't say whether you have this or that tendency for me.
I do that sometimes as to not make it easy to be identified to this or that camp.
True
This is a fundamental problem that confounds centralization. Accumulating stake is an effect of parasitization, and that is the source of overlords which derange human society.
For ~250k years, humanity lived in egalitarian tribes that had little ability to project force, because surplus wealth was almost impossible to create. Everyone had to provide their own goods and services by hand because technology was pre-industrial. Upon the advent of agriculture surpluses became possible, and centralization enabled parasitization and overlords, who used surpluses to sustain security specialists, gangs of armed thugs, that preyed on society, and societies.
Today decentralization of means of production is the cutting edge of technological advance across all fields of industry. As individuals and communities avail themselves of suitable means of production, overlords are prevented from parasitizing their production, which inures to the producers themselves. Centralization is being deprecated, and overlords sustaining gangs of armed thugs with it.
Decentralization is the cure, and centralization is shown to be a temporary phase necessary to the advance of technology from the Stone Age to the Space Age.
Government is centralization. When we are able to manufacture our means of personal security we are not required to purchase them from shartmart, where WMDs suitable to eliminate gangs of armed thugs on which overlords depend are not sold.
Hive was capable of being decentralized, and marketed as such, but instead HP is centralized, which centralizes political power. While this fraud lasts it enables oligarchs to sell free speech produced by content creators for tokens through the mechanism of curation rewards. Using flags, oligarchs are able to prevent upstarts from joining their ranks, and return HP to the pool, where they are able to extract the vast majority of it into their wallets.
Free speech has been marked for destruction, and CBDCs are being introduced presently. The UN has begun taking sites off the web by preventing DNS resolution, and CBDCs are only able to be forced on people bereft of other forms of money. It is obvious that Hive and cryptocurrency exchanges will be eliminated shortly so that they will not be used to prevent enslavement to CBDCs, social credit algorithms, and the vaxpass.
The global monetary system is beginning it's final collapse, as Evergrande defaulted, again, which is causing the ~$60T Chinese property market to collapse and the effects to spread throughout the global monetary system. Neither fiat, shiny rocks, nor cryptocurrency will be available to people shortly.
People that have exchanged their financial resources for nominal means of decentralized production will be able to provide their necessary goods and services without being dependent on CBDCs. I am unaware of another way people can remain free of subjugation to overlords who completely control extant centralized production of essential goods and services.
As the ongoing genocide of humanity continues, it becomes increasingly impossible to conceal, and despite the fact that people desperately try to maintain their illusion that they have not been fooled, the survivors will increasingly become aware of reality, and the fools will continue to die.
Eventually this will become a hot war, and the troops necessary to overlords to project force will themselves grasp that they are being chemically castrated, injected with experimental genetic therapy, and are not overlords that will become owners of everything, but instead property of the very overlords they serve. Many have been purged already who have refused to become GMOs, but even those left will die or grasp they have been fooled, and overlords will become unable to project force.
I do not expect Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab are going to become Rambos, dual wielding assault weapons and defeating massive mobs of protestors armed with sticks and rocks by force of arms. I think they have DUMBs to retreat to for that reason, and have undertaken to create GMOs to replace reason with obedience and preserve their ability to project force.
However, individuals able to manufacture their own means of security from hordes of weaponized GMOs and swarms of drones will not be limited to 1000 year old firearms technology, and the ability of individuals and communities to manufacture WMDs will render armed gangs of thugs and swarms of drones obsolete.
Not without horrific cost, sadly.
That is when decentralization will restore human society to it's original egalitarian state, in and for which it evolved. Oligarchs will no longer be able to project force, eventually the DUMBs will be occupied by corpses, and people will take to the stars, as is our destiny foretold by the prophets of ages past.
Hive is metaphorically an organoid of society, and is one of the last vectors of free speech because of it's peculiarities of governance. Use it to study centralization and communicate forthrightly while it remains.
It isn't more.
I agree, Hive 100% follows the structure of Centralized Western society. Your comment was extremely detailed. I hope you've posted it as a blog as well.
I am glad I am not alone in seeing how things are proceeding. We are facing significant threat wherever we are today, and despite the drone of propaganda bots and enemedia talking heads, I am confident that the majority of humanity strongly disapproves of ongoing censorship, propaganda, and coercive war crimes and genocide ongoing, which consensus is concealed from us by censorship. Just as a few oligarchs on Hive can outflag hundreds of ordinary upvotes, a few oligarchs that can fund enemedia lies while censoring our voices on social media can appear to control the narrative, and expect thereby to convince good people they are alone in their rational opinions.
It is important that we speak to one another directly and ascertain our mutual considerations and points of contention with ongoing political degradation, so that we can mutually act to rectify that damage that has been done, and prevent worse harm that is certain to follow if we allow it.
The oldest trick in the propaganda book is to make people believe there's a broad consensus for things there is actually a broad consensus against, and I am confident almost no one is eager to be enslaved to the WEF through CBDCs, social credit algorithms, and the vaxpass. Recent revelations of the massive numbers of dead from the jabs and from the CEO of Pfizer that after the present boosters for OG covid, he intends to force three more on us for Omicron, are absolutely stopping previously compliant folks in their tracks, and forcing them to reckon with the blatant lies that have been put forward to conceal jab damage as 'climate change syndrome' and surreal claims that it's normal for little children to have heart attacks and strokes, and in the light of the 75 years the FDA is demanding that the Pfizer data on jab safety remain secret.
No one trusts secret soyence that has an opinion worthy of consideration. The people of the world are being forced by unending jabs, utterly oppressive government, and lurid images of athletes and children being killed en masse, to forcibly dismantle the extant governments of the West, because they're going to kill us all if we don't.
It is, of course, necessary to first destroy an edifice before you can replace it, as the NWO requires to be implemented, and while we should be cautious that we are being trapped by the NWO to do their dirty work in rebelling against our corrupt governments, we should also not shy from doing the needful in that regard, because it is obvious that if we don't we'll all be killed by an unending stream of jabs.
The Prime Minister of New Zealand has stated she will never stop forcing jabs on people as long as there are people unjabbed, and expects the jab program to never, ever end. Since each jab causes a certain percentage of deaths, and does cumulative harm to those that yet survive, an unending stream of jabs is eventually 100% fatal to 100% of the subjects. She has literally promised to kill everyone in her power. It doesn't matter that hanging such psychopaths for treason and genocidal war crimes is a trap. Not prosecuting and executing such fiends is literal suicide, and worse yet.
We just need to prevent the NWO from wresting our freedom from us thereafter, though they collapse the global monetary system to starve us into submission. They're going to try to force us to cull livestock because it is a vector for covid, and a lot of wildlife is as well. If they can destroy our livestock, we can be forced to eat whatever bugs they can dish up out of their labs, or starve.
We need to prepare for that battle, because it is the fight for our lives.
Oh, I'm ready and am at a place where their rules have little effect on me. That being said, there will be a time where I may have to die to fight for freedom.
But... I'm fine with those willingly following the narrative. They are in the way of my freedom, so am fine with them causing damage to themselves. For this reason, I don't feel the need to spread the word. Those who know already know. Those who don't aren't listening anyway.
I refuse to allow 'them' to affect my mental health. When the time comes I'm stepping up, til then the lemmings are better off just complying.
People I love are dying. I am inconsolable, and I seek to do what can be done to keep others from grieving as I do today. We are strengthened when we suffer the loss of our people by the wretched misery we endure, because knowing others we love are at risk too will drive us as little else could to act to prevent their harm, for those yet left to us are all the more essential and needed in our lives.
I understand needing to protect our health, particularly our hearts and minds.
That's why, as you state, when it's time we will step up and act. But it's time now to ensure the common mass culls of livestock due to disease that have been undertaken in the past are not allowed to utterly deprive us of our sustenance. Supplies in many places are already short.
Let's make sure we aren't facing famine, because actual plague almost always follows famine, and people weakened by hunger are less able to survive every challenge, and particularly pathogens. Even if we only take a couple pet rabbits, or a couple hens, we may secure a lifeline by that action.
I guess I'm fortunate to not be that position and food won't be an issue for me, through a multipronged approach. I'm consoled by the fact that it is mostly an individual choice at this point, minus a few examples and it was their decision. That also makes it ethical enough in my eyes.
I started writing a long reply to you here, but it turned into it's own post!
It occurs to me that there is a clear dynamic on hive between decentralisation/centralisation and the effectiveness of POB and thus Hive's own success as a token. Here are some more of my thoughts on this:
https://peakd.com/hive-150329/@ura-soul/the-dynamics-of-dpos-and-pob-pitch-money-against-freedom-in-a-constant-brawl-for-decentralisation-over-centralisation-but-we-