When was the last time you checked your witness votes? Was it the Steem/Hive hard fork? Or Never?

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Alright folks, I'm going to try to keep this one as simple & direct as possible, with hyperlinks to more in-depth discussions... because we need to cover a lot of ground.

There's going to be people reading this who have never used Hive yet, ones who have been here for years but never voted for a witness, and (I'm guessing) quite a few people who haven't voted for witnesses since the Justin Sun fiasco...

But more on that later....

The focus here is on Hive Witnesses. What they are, what role they play, how they are chosen, the current status of the "top 20" thus Hive as a platform, and a few simple calls to action.

Table of Contents

  • What Are Witnesses
  • The Current Status of the Top 20 - and thus Hive
  • What, that witness is actually who?
  • Calls to Action
  • Finding Information on Witnesses
  • A Moment of Clarification
  • Recommended Witness List
  • The Simple Option


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What Are Witnesses?

Simply put, witnesses are the block producers on the Hive blockchain (like miners on BTC/XMR), except that governance isn't weighted by hashing power, but by the amount of stake (Hive Power) which approves of a particular witnesses.

The more HP voting for a witness, the higher they go in the rankings.

The top 20 are the consensus/governance witnesses.

Code is law, and those 20 decide the code.

Sure seems like it's important that we all carefully vote for witnesses, right?

Well, yes and no - because it's stake-weighted, folks with lots of HP (or $ to buy HP) get to vote a LOT more than you or I do.

There's multiple accounts on this blockchain with many millions of Hive Power.

That's a hefty vote.

Between my own and all that proxied to me, I vote for ~ 190,000 HP...

What's your vote worth?

To be clear, I'm not saying that the sum of little votes don't add up - quite the opposite. It's more that I'm emphasizing the gap in voting power here, thus just how important it is for little fish to come together if we're going to have an impact in a lake run whales.





The Current Status of Hive & The Top 20

How many of you have changed your witness votes since the hostile takeover of the Steem blockchain?

The community had a massive get out the vote campaign - focused on supporting the previous, actually community chosen, top 20.

We all came together, as a community, for the purposes of fending off a shared enemy in Justin Sun, Tron, and the newly purchased StInc, and we were able to hold them off for a while, before forking into HIVE.

In the 21 months since that happened, most of the top 20 have stayed in the Top 20.

Now, we're at a pretty pivotal moment for Hive, with a handful of whales, including two Top 20 witnesses, are abusing their power - maliciously down-voting content for political reasons, systematically driving multiple users to negative reputation, and gaslighting (publicly, with lies that are often later admitted to) those who call them out.

The handful of accounts that are mostly responsible for almost all of this down-voting are: curangel, ocdb / ocd-witness, altleft, azircon, acidyo, and smooth (mostly just on content about the problem), and newsflash in there occasionally as well.

Here are some posts about the topic - some with hundreds of comments:


What, that witness is actually who?

Now, as I mentioned before, there are two Top 20 witnesses who are leading the charge on this campaign:

First up is pharesim a top 20 witness, who happens to have started the curangel project. Curangel has thus far refused to address the activity, so it is unknown who is actually doing this downvoting - but I've heard rumors that azircon has the keys as well.

Next up is ocd-witness, another top 20, run by ocdb, which is run by acidyo. OCDB has also refused to make a statement about who is doing this down-voting, or why, but King Acid has said plenty... unfortunately most of it is outright lies and admitted "shit talking."





Calls To Action

The post is really starting to get long now, and I haven't even started in on the witness list itself... so I'll just lay out some quick, potential, calls to action right quick.

  1. Remove votes for witnesses whose actions, behavior, and political motives you don't support. For me, the big ones here were: ocd-witness, pharesim, smooth.witness (all explained up above) - I'm currently in the process of deciding how to categorize witnesses who support folks like this. I'm trying not to vote for any that do, but I don't know that I should really call them out in the same way.
  2. Remove your delegations & curation trail follows from ocdb and curangel. By lending them your stake, you are pretty explicitly supporting these activities.
  3. Vote for other witnesses! Some priorities to think about = folks not in the top 20, people who openly & clearly advocate for free speech, people who don't lash out like juveniles when questioned about their use of their power, etc.
    3a. If the parts about researching & choosing witnesses seem like too much, there's a Simple Option down at the bottom.
  4. Start exploring more of the 2nd layer projects on Hive, like #ProofofBrain, #SPKNetwork, #LEOFinance, the upcoming project from #informationwar / #deepdives, and more.
  5. Just have realistic expectations of Hive - while the tech side of Hive may be some of the best in existence, the inherent flaw of dPo$ means it can never live up to the dream. Don't worry, a handful of us are working on a new project, building off Hive's code, but with a fair launch, no buying/selling stake, and a whole bunch of other experimentation to keep moving this ball forward.




Finding Information About Witnesses

It's important that we practice informed consent, that we make conscious decisions, based on weighing the pros & cons, comparing the options.

While I do break down my own choices for witnesses (and recommendations from others) down below, I'm not asking you to blindly follow me, or anyone else.

This is a public blockchain, and you can see everything these witnesses are doing, and who supports them (and who they support.) Besides the obvious of just looking at their account(s)

Basics on Peakd

As usual, @peakd makes it easy as can be to find out who someone is voting for (or if they aren't voting), but I believe you have to hop over to hiveblocks.com to see who they are proxying their vote to, if they are.

All you have to do to see this info on peakd, is pick it from the interactions menu on someone's profile, or add "/witnesses" to the address of their blog.

For example: https://peakd.com/@kennyskitchen/witnesses

You can also find more information about witnesses in general, and specifically, at https://peakd.com/witnesses - and vote there as well.

Although, it isn't nearly as informative as:

Arcange's Awesome Tool

Big thanks to @arcange for creating such this awesome tool: https://hive.arcange.eu/witnesses/, and thanks to @truthforce for showing it to me!

With this tool, we can see how many accounts & how much stake is voting for each witness, movement (presumably last 24h or 7d), who their voters are, price feed, their links, and a TON more data.

Here is a peek, the current snapshot of the top 22:

Yes, I chose the top 22 for a reason - because #21 and #22 are both folks I would very much like to see up in the top 20

Why does it matter?

Through this, anyone can easily see who is supporting a witness, thus allowing for a much higher level of informed freedom of association.

If there is a witness that you actively don't support, and another witness you do is supporting them, then perhaps it's time to withdraw support there as well, or at least have a conversation with them (if possible.)

As @logiczombie put it so well...

The funny thing is that I actually have supported many of these witnesses who down-voted me over the years, either because I thought it was just a one-off thing, or because (as I mentioned before) I wasn't being dilligent enough with my votes for a while there.

Well, the emergency of Justin Sun taking over is long since passed, and I've been updating and shuffling my witness votes quite a lot over the last few months.





A Moment of Clarification

If you don't see any problem with any of the things discussed & linked to above, or just don't care at all about the governance, community, and life of Hive - that's just fine. This post isn't for you.

If you want to scream at me now and pretend that I'm a "crazy conspiracy theorist" and that there's definitely nothing to see, while simultaneously 100% down-voting this post - that's just fine too. This post isn't for you, it's just largely about you.





Recommended Witness List

I promised y'all a short post... and we're not really pulling that off... But it's important to hit all these points, because even this post barely scratches the surface. There are so many posts and comments sections to read, so much transaction history to look through, just to really know what's going on.

That said, here is a list of witnesses that I feel comfortable recommending. @Ura-soul recently put out this post looking for more free-speech witnesses to vote on, and besides his descriptions of people, I and others also left plenty there in the comments. For this section I'm just going to stick with a very simple list, starting at the highest rated folks:

Obviously, I'm voting for more than this - I have all 30 of my witness votes used, but these are the ones that seem like the strongest choices - some of my others I don't necessarily know enough about to recommend them, per se.

Please let me know if you've got a favorite freedom-focused witness, or many, that I missed!





The Simple Option

If you are someone who really doesn't care to dive into all of this, especially if you don't have all that much voting power anyway, you can also proxy your vote to someone else. Simply go to their blog page on peakd, click interaction, and you'll see the option to set them as your witness proxy.

Your HP is then lumped in with theirs, and anyone else proxying them, for witness votes.

Note, while this is similar to delegation, the two are separate. Delegation gives the use of your HP for voting on posts & comments, while proxying gives the use of your HP for voting on witnesses (and I believe proposals - but I may be wrong.)

If you would like to proxy your witness votes out, and are interested in supporting anarchists, free-speech-lovers, and a more decentralized Hive, you can proxy it to me. You can see my current votes up above, and I'm always open to adjusting as I find new information.



All images are memes from my archives, except the top one, which I just whipped up on imgflip.com





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I wrote up a comment a day or two ago, the gist of my comment was now that everything is being suppressed on social media more and more and we see countries making laws agaagainst free speech we have to re evaluate who we think should represent this chain.

Downvotes in my view should only be used for spam/plagirizers/content theft/posts that are porn or graphic not marked with a NSFW/and people who are directly abusing others or calling for direct harm.

Disagreements on rewards or downvoting something you dont like shouldnt have a place on here and shouldn't be tolerated. This chain is over 5 years old and it's time we really look at the message we are sending to the outside world when they see how this chain runs. If people see a bunch of content that looks like Instagram spam and twitter circle jerking earning 200 to 500 usd, but political posts are zeroed out, then what does that say about this place? It isnt a place for inclusiveness is what it says.

Social media across the board has given their algorithms an update to funnel views directly to Fox CNN MSNBC ABC in the USA, and in other countries youtube's similarly giving huge corporations all of the views. We cant afford to lose anymore views and it has to be talked about. Our YouTube channel used to get hundreds of views per video and now it's like 10 to 20. Many big alternative news YouTubers and social media lost over 90 percent of incoming recommended views because youthbe and Facebook and google change algorithms to give to corporate press. The corporate press lies us into wars and causes great damage to humans.

2022 and forward is only going to get worse in terms of suppression of content. We on Hive have votes though based on stake power.

Choose whose side you are on, a few millionaires who are in the top 20 who will cuss you out and downvote you if you disagree, or people who will not suppress your content and actually champion your rights to be seen and heard.

I'm not really involved in this whole thing, but I want to leave this comment here with my thoughts. I want a blockchain I can point at and say there isnt ideological suppression happening here, not one controlled by a few millionaires who decide if you get to earn or not.

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HIVE!D

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A DAWNing of a new Day ✌️😎🥓👍

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Reason:

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Your sarcasm needs to be improved or dropped altogether:

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hardy har har...

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Yep, I told you when I muted you, because you were wasting my time with nonsensical ramblings and taking my content personally, even though I have no idea who the hell you are.

Thread #1: https://peakd.com/hive-120078/@nonameslefttouse/re-kennyskitchen-qxhm77

Thread #2: https://peakd.com/hive-110786/@nonameslefttouse/re-kennyskitchen-qxlwyq


I'll repeat my last two messages to you, from those earlier interactions.


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Yes. This is how you treat me. Call what I was attempting to explain "nonsensical ramblings", call me names, attempt to make me look like an idiot, yadda yadda yadda.

I did not take your content personally.

You just ratted yourself out. For me it was all in the past and saw no need to link to that conversation. Even at the time I said it wasn't even a big deal but simply couldn't figure out why you had such a problem admitting to boasting about something and taking all the credit for something you had very little to do with. So whatever. Enjoy your attempt at making yourself appear perfect, once again, and failing miserably. Not long ago, under this post, I briefly touched on that incident while speaking with urasoul. Also said I speak on things with confidence knowing the chain backs me up. So thanks for doing the work and digging up those links. It's truly appreciated.

And my comment here about your sarcasm fail, it was just meant to be lighthearted. Surely deep down you must know you don't really practice what you preach, since you truly don't, and even provided evidence. So for that I say, Thank you.

Have a good one, Kenny.

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Enjoy your attempt at making yourself appear perfect, once again, and failing miserably.

Words that could only be spoken by someone who's never met me, or read my blog. Very little is covered as much as my own trauma, processing, laying out my mistakes, and how not perfect I am.

Have a good one, Kenny.

I am, and I always do :-)

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Actions speak louder than words, man. If what you say about yourself is true, you'd see no need to be defending yourself, you wouldn't see the need to prop yourself up like you just did and create this wholesome image of yourself like that. You might look a little closer at that day, see where you went wrong, maybe offer an apology which wouldn't be necessary but is something people do in those situations after making mistakes. Things like that.

I don't hold a grudge. It's whatever. Hopefully you can take a joke someday.

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Thanks for your vote of confidence. Love the anarchist/libertarian bent here as well. Most of what I do is trying to build out second layer technology so we can worry less about the base layer voting, if there has to be a government it should be as close as possible to those it governs... and of course any second layer tech that works here will work on any other dPoS chains as well. :)

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Agreed. I'm going to check who I'm voting for and get you on my vote. It's not much. I got maybe 1.5k hp across 3 accounts.

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Just so you know, despite you having a rep of 69, your comment was muted for me in PeakD for 'low reputation'. Ah, the irony!

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As it turned out I had muted you at some point in the past.. I do not recall why, did you play a lot of country music or something? lol

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I likely chimed in to a post about 5G not being an ionizing radiation... being an ex nuclear engineer.

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haha.. well, if there's one thing that the Simpsons taught me - aside from the warning about 911, Donald Trump's presidency and all the other things.. It's that nuclear engineers are a solid source of sage advice :)

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That's because that member is on your mute list, as of this writing.

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oh, haha.. I have no idea why.. maybe I had a moment of absolute love for fiat money. thanks for the tip

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I'd say at the very least that you(everyone) demand the witnesses you support to clearly state their position on all the relevent topics covered in the description for Hive.

On Steemit I used to see witness campaigns quite often, but that isn't happening anymore. The witnesses seem to have become complacent and the devs have yet to address further decentralization of the blockchain.

Why is that? I'm not fully sure, but would love to hear it from the witnesses mouths themselves. We need more competition for these positions or we are just mimicking a flawed system we don't support in the physical world.

It's time to shuffle the deck!

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Very true. I haven't seen any witness campaigns recently. Would be good to have them again.

Apparently vote decay starts in 6 months.

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What's vote decay?

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Not 100 percent sure. Maybe inactive peoples votes go away after a set amount of time?

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Yeah. If you haven't voted for a witness for a period of one year, your votes for witnesses are wiped. If a large stakeholder passes away for instance and the keys weren't in the will, those witnesses, after one year or less depending on when that account was actively engaging in witness voting, they'll no longer benefit from that dormant stake. Same with small stakeholders. Fair and equal treatment across the board.

tagging @scholaris.pob since you asked.

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Are you on discord? There was something I want to talk about for the VYB and POB stuff. If so, what's your username?

Thanks!

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My main account name: scholaris. I’ll be happy to answer any questions you have or forward you to the people that have the answers.

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I need the numbers as well. Would look like

Scholaris#7468

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scholaris#7274

He is a friend of mine :)

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It's where witness votes are cleared after one year of inactivity in the witness section. It starts over with each change made within that year though.

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It's not implemented yet. Will be implemented in the next Hardfork. It means witness vote will expire in 1 year and you must renew it at that time. Currently they don't expire

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Following on from Truthforce's comment.. I just want to add that while many people have no clue of the extent of the corruption and manipulation that is present via mainstream media sources and by extension also the bigger internet sources - the reality is that everything possible (short of mass executions of dissenters) is being done to try to silence any commentary that gains traction which contradicts the lies being sold by the corporatocracies on this planet.

We have an issue, then, on Hive - where many people know that all of this is occurring, but many do not. Many here have had personal experience from both inside and outside of the mind control systems on this planet and they want to fix the Earth to create a more honest, free and happy future for us. However, many seem to have no idea this is transpiring and of course some here - just based on statistics - will be part of the group who are actively trying hard to get everyone to deny reality in order to cover up their crimes against humanity.

There really is a war on for your mind and it is longstanding and has been heavily funded for many generations. The situation is very much like the movie 'The Matrix', where just about anyone can get caught up in the matrix of false reality they were fed from birth and then fail to see or care about what is right in front of their eyes.

All of this means we have a difficult situation where mass downvoting to suppress the spread of information online can be hand waved away as just 'disagreements on rewards' and any attempt to argue against this can be just said to be 'the greed of terrible people' etc.

Equally, downvoting that isn't specifically to suppress information can end up looking like it is being done for that purpose and this adds fuel to the fire.

All along I have been asking for restraint and care when downvoting for ideological reasons because it can cause so many problems that can usually be solved in a more intelligent, social and friendly way - e.g. through conversation. In all cases that we are protesting here, there was zero attempt at any conversation or friendliness - no quiet word to say that there is an issue and maybe we can sort it out by agreeing x/y/z or having a friendly public debate on key issues. Instead it was just full on assault, over and over - mixed in with sneering ridicule, scorn and lies. This is all I personally need to know to have a good sense of what is occurring and it is not healthy at all.

Just like the people facing off against the cops in so many cities of the world - the cops are fighting for a paycheque but the people are fighting for freedom and their future. So obviously, those seeking freedom are not really going to give up. One way or another we will find workable solutions here. Despite what anyone might think, I personally just want the situation to resolve as painlessly as possible for all and I genuinely want to help Hive to grow to be the best it can be in all ways - so there is really no need for drama - yet here we are, dealing with drama that it was not possible to avoid without leaving the entire network, which is exactly what some of the downvoters have told me personally to do! Without a shred of evidence or even explanation as to why they are right.. This is simply bullying that in most cases this would not be tolerated - yet, due to the stake weighting and lack of community uproar, it continues on. In a sense it is understandable, in this climate, that there isn't much of a community response as yet, since the atmosphere is not really one that a lot of people would want to defend or improve! However, I still hold a high vision for the future of Hive and I still intend to do everything possible to bring it to manifestation.

If you personally care about real community spirit, the truth coming to light, healthy change for Earth and the creation of a better world, then please consider listening to Kenny's info above and do what you can to help resolve this issue - whether it be through social negotiation, changing witness votes, delegating to relevant parties or through whatever other creative solution you are excited to explore!

Wishing you well,
Ura-Soul

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Yeah, it's kind of hard to reason with someone who just says, " I downvote anything mentioning downvotes." It's only comply or else, which isn't going to cut it.

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I wasn't even thinking of that when I wrote the above, but yes, that's another example. It's like a politician saying "I represent your interests, but if I hear you talking about taxation issues I'm going to raise taxes". lol

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Taxes will be raised until morale inproves!

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seems reasonable - taxes, like downvotes, serve the community - it follows that obviously joy will not be far behind.

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healthy change for Earth and the creation of a better world

I cannot take this seriously. I also find it difficult to bite my tongue on this one as well. The ridiculousness of such lines. Is this supposed to be an election for a new god? If we do what Kenny says, the world will be fixed... ?

I realize yourself, kenny, and a couple others don't enjoy criticism much, but, is the sensationalism really necessary? Your entire speech is riddled with it but that line especially iced the cake. Are you maybe simply unaware of the fact some people on this planet see right through that kind of stuff offering them no choice but to write it all off as total bunk? That approach comes across as being incredibly dishonest and fake.

I won't discount the fact several of those witnesses are damn good people and have done some damn good things, so I won't let this zany approach of promoting them change my mind about them or impact how I feel about them personally, but damn, if I was on that list, personally I would not want to be involved in this awkward campaign. I feel bad for the people being thrown under the bus. I feel bad for those who didn't make the cut yet I know damn well they're good people as well. You say you stand up for the spirit of the community. On the surface that's all shiny and sweet. Look around though. The reality of the situation is, as far as I can tell, a couple of you got downvoted, which means you're not making as much money as you think you deserve, so for selfish reasons you're attempting to create a massive rift, working to divide the community, so you can have your way.

I don't always agree with every action of those I sometimes agree with or support. I personally don't take sides on issues. If I disagree with you that does not automatically mean I agree with all those you despise, all the time. You think it's wrong if people vote based on ideals. So therefore, based on your own logic, you'd think I'd be making the wrong choice if I followed your advice and removed or added votes for certain individuals, because if I did that, that decision would have been based on your ideals.

Maybe rethink your approach. And please don't come at me with some ridiculous rebuttal. I don't have time to listen to your spin today. That is all. Some food for thought and an honest perspective coming from someone who sees no need to impress anyone or fit in with anything.

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It may be hard to understand in a world that is so cynical and heartless, but many people have dedicated a lot of their time to actually taking action to improving life on Earth. It's obviously a big topic and not one you are going to grasp through cynical lenses and reading a tiny fraction of people's life story in a few paragraphs in a small subset of their Hive posts. You clearly don't accept really anything that Kenny and I share in posts as being valid or real, so obviously you are going to see such statements of intent in the way that you are.

If you took the time to actually understand why I said what I said then you might be able to align more to the meaning. Ultimately, it makes no difference to me whether people think I am talking 'bunk' or not. The proof is in the pudding and the oven is on.

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You're using the same tactics the big media corporations and political parties use to get their way. Just because I don't see the world through your eyes does not mean I'm heartless and somehow can't see the world for what it is. I know bullshit when I see it. And there's no need to make this about ME. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Get it right.

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I didn't say you were heartless, I said you are experiencing a world that is quite heartless and has normalised it in many ways. In truth, I feel that almost everyone has some degree of heartlessness in them, but I am not judging that to be the case in you as I do not know you.

None the less, we clearly do not see things through the same eyes.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, yes - this pudding is still being prepared in a form that you can consume.

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Ditch the sensationalism. Get real. Refine your approach. Work towards bringing people together rather than creating a rift. Realize those who agree are already with you on this by default. They're not the ones you need to impress. That's something I tried to explain to you months ago under one of your covid posts, where you had insulted someone with a brutally disgusting attitude for simply not thinking the way you think and I left that instance thinking you were attempting to make me look like an idiot as well. That day you also couldn't understand why it would be wrong for a man to be happy and smiling after finding out my father had a blood clot. I know you don't know me but those are some of my most recent memories of you. Kenny here has me on mute after I called him out on some bs and I got to see his true colors that day. I didn't come here bitter about these things and certainly don't hold a grudge. I'd like to think I'm better than that. But maybe those events did show me something else about you guys so when I read this bunk about making the world a better place, I just see the face of Jim Jones, and don't trust it. You folks talk a big game but my experience dictates you don't practice what you preach. Like it or not, after much thought, that's how I feel about all this.

And do you know what led me here to you folks and this little show you're putting on? I had been gone for nearly four months, completely offline, nearly off grid. Came back, started sifting through notifications and mentions, checking in on what I missed. Low and behold I find out I'm being thrown under the bus too, by someone tied to this group and even mentioned in the post above. Total fucking low blow and I wasn't even here to defend myself. To top it off I haven't even done anything wrong. It boils down to small town mentality some of you folks have around here. Gawking over the fence. They see someone supporting my work, they don't like that someone, so they paint me as a villain too. And it's not the first time. And it's sickening. Low. Disgusting. And I don't see how any of this makes the world a better place. Sounds more like a world that doesn't involve me.

In the post above Kenny says something like, "I'm not sure what to label those people who support these monsters." Sure I'm paraphrasing. But I can already see where this is going, based on experience, some of the people involved, and so on. Soon enough there will be several more names added to your hit list because they don't think how you think or didn't do what you wanted them to do. That's my guess anyway. You folks will double down on creating this rift, all while posing as the good guys, which I'm not buying.

Anyway. I'm outta here.

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Ok, I recall parts of the conversation now. I would need to re-read the text you are referring to, but I know for sure that your characterisation of me as 'couldn't understand why it would be wrong for a man to be happy and smiling after finding out my father had a blood clot' is not true. I seem to recall agreeing with you that such a position would be heartless.

I don't know who or what you are referring to with regards to being thrown under the bus by someone mentioned above. I don't know more than a small percentage of the people listed here and I certainly don't track their comments enough to know what you are talking about. People say things that are heartless, I do what I can to help to heal, balance and evolve that specific problem - whether you understand that or not doesn't change that it is the case. Most people are not doing anything to resolve this issue. I can't be held responsible for other people's actions - only my own. I am more than happy to take responsibility for anything I have said or done.

I agree that there is a need to harmonise, depolarise and connect people together in a balanced way. That takes intent on both 'sides' in order to achieve. It is absolutely what needs to happen in all problematic social situations. Even knowing this, we have survival strategies and fight/flight conditioning that can be triggered and draw us into conflicts that do not serve us. The topic of information control during COVID is hugely triggering in this regard. There are people who don't accept it is happening or who actively further the suppression - it is totally understandable that to people who view this suppression as preventing lives being saved, the people involved are dangerous. Just like the other way around, people who do the suppression seem to think that the people they are suppressing are dangerous.

Ultimately, arguing over it doesn't help solve the problem.

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Heartless indeed. What's worse is that man had his head so full of this anti vax stuff he up and included an, "I told you so." to go along with that smile. But it wasn't the vaccine that caused the clot, it was an injury that caused the blood clot. You tried to tell me that day the, "I told you so" portion was "medical advice." But that guy cuts grass for a living and most likely spends his time stuck inside the antivax social media echo chamber getting his fill of brainwash for the day and felt joy out of being 'right' about something. But he was wrong, on so many levels.

Now, just because I said that, that doesn't automatically mean I'm an antiantivaxxer or an antivaxer, or anything. I just see a rift, and cults forming around ideas. While in your mind you write about this stuff thinking you're saving lives, so full of yourself you don't notice how many lives are being ruined by social media and this rift. Maybe the juice isn't injected into your arm but it's still affecting your brain and several others as well.

Meanwhile back in reality land I'm at hockey game with 15000 other people and not one of them is dropping dead from vaccines or covid. But if you sit here on the internet trapped inside a bubble and never go outside the world looks nothing like it does when you're out experiencing it, away from all the nonsense. Go to a hockey game and see people cheering for a puck going in the net. Come on the internet and see people cheering for death and destruction. Why doesn't anyone talk about the health issues and mental issues caused by being fed nonsense all day? People have been sitting around obsessing about this shit for months and months and months nonstop. And irony in how loud the voices are, yet claim being suppressed, and how loud they are when claiming they're being suppressed. This whole idea the world is attempting to hide something yet it's everywhere you look! You folks claiming you're censored and there's no free speech yet every day having no issues utilizing your speech to claim being censored and suppressed. Every opportunity to hook yourselves up with a shiny new Hive based tokenized community to get the word out and create the biggest echo chamber in the history of truth or lies, but in the mean time you gotta stick to that classic conspiracy script, play the role of the damsel in distress, and act like the corporate media government monster is about to win the "war for your mind". Well sorry but I'm not giving my mind up that easy. 'They' want it. Those labelled as 'conspiracy types' or whatever want it. NO. Can't have it. Everyone else can have fun taking a side and being manipulated but I'll just sit back and watch the circus.

LOL... Fuck all this nonsense. Now I'm just laughing at myself and everything else. Maybe I am cynical bastard but sure beats being a brainwashed media junkie that can't see the forest for the trees.

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As I recall, I didn't have all the information in that prior conversation at the point that I said what I said and it sounded a lot like the person who smiled had actually done some research and had perhaps been ignored. This was what was happening over and over again at that time. As I have pointed out, the official gov data shows exactly that the death count repeatedly goes up immediately after shot rollouts, because the shots kill quite a lot of people. As I said, I 'bumped into' 4 deaths from shots in 'the real world' myself in the last week or two without even looking for them. People at football games aren't going there, generally, to shout about covid shots and adverse reactions that they probably don't think are real anyway because they believe what they are told by gov and news anchors without looking at the data.

No-one needs to take my lowly word for it - I'm just someone who is sought after for data analysis, has focused on healing for 2 decades and has healed themselves of being crippled after the medical system gave up.. None of that needs to be tackled because there are highly qualified 'experts' with the real bits of paper to prove it - who have consistently agreed with me, word for word and who have consistently been deleted from the internet. This is the root of the anger about censorship from most people - but it seems that those complaining about us complaining have not sense of what is happening in the wider world (all while they complain that we have no sense of what is happening in the wider world).

I was about to link you to Professor Norman Fenton, a Data analysis expert in the UK who has covered some of the COVID data that I have and reached identical conclusions. He posted on Hive after being censored in Silicon Valley sites. I will still link him but there is almost no point as I now see that Youtube has deleted the video interview:

https://peakd.com/hive-196427/@normanfenton/concerns-about-claims-of-covid-19-vaccination-effectiveness-and-safety

There is a link to a connected blog but it doesn't do the video justice at all.

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/12/possible-systematic-miscategorisation.html

He is just one of a long list of total experts that are repeatedly being censored. This is fundamentally dangerous and arguably literally fascist. People somehow like to think they live in a world that is post fascism or even post stupidity and post corruption. The reality is that things are absolutely no better than they have been in the last 100 years and in some ways are worse.

The reality is that I have lived a wide variety of experiences regarding health and have learned way more that is of use to create health than the vast majority of the people I have ever met - including all of the Doctors I have interacted with. This is not big headedness, it's just what has happened and to some extent what I have chosen. This is why I am doing what I do and why I regularly get thanked profusely for effectively helping people solve difficult issues for free. This has nothing to do with 'big headedness', I would be super happy if I didn't ever do any of these things because 'the system' and people in general actually had the information they need to heal, balance and evolve. I didn't have it myself and nearly died multiple times. Then I spent 20 years seeking out the information, leaving no stone unturned. This is the reality for me, but you have no way of really knowing through the internet like this - so you see me through your own lenses. Personally, I aim to remove all lenses as I don't want distorted reality when dealing with such delicate and sensitive topics.

LOL... Fuck all this nonsense. Now I'm just laughing at myself and everything else. Maybe I am cynical bastard but sure beats being a brainwashed media junkie that can't see the forest for the trees.

I haven't had a TV for 20 years and most of what I am doing is either creating things, helping people in therapy or helping myself. Most of my 'media' consumption nowadays is hive posts.

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I wasn't calling you a media junkie. Just in general. It feels good to still have a mind to use. You point out how some on this planet get their information from one side, and believe it word for word without question, and how idiotic that is in sense. If I point out to you there probably just as many people listening to your side of story, believing it all word for word without question, you'd think that's not idiotic, even though it's the exact same behavior. These are just online internet cults. Once one takes a side on this, they're stuck in it forever. You can't even get through a response without reinforcing the necessary divisions.

You talk about suppression. Both sides act the exact same way. If you enter their realm and attempt to talk what you feel is 'sense' into them, you'll get shouted out of the room. If they come to your house and attempt to say what they feel is right, they'll get shouted out of the room. When I pointed out how you were insulting someone, shouting them out of the room was exactly what you were doing. Even here, the whole anti-suppressant crowd has me tucked behind two mute barriers. What a joke.

https://peakd.com/life/@nonameslefttouse/society-is-a-two-faced-bitch

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You are judging large groups of people to behave the same way when they often don't. In fact, I have specifically removed such people from my personal life as much as possible - I am only interested in free thinking brains/hearts. I regularly explain that beliefs are guesswork and counterproductive - I advise people to not believe a word I say. If there are people consuming my content who don't question deeply enough, I can hardly be held responsible for that. I have done everything in my power - short of publishing the several unfinished books I have on these topics - to activate people's cognitive processes and to question everything. In my mind, by highlighting the extent of the lies that are easily demonstrable in the mainstream, most observers should at least be triggered to question what is all around them more. You cannot really just blindly believe something that totally counters what the mainstream is saying, without actually questioning things imo.

There are a minority of people who will just believe anything that fits in with their own narrative that itself counters the mainstream narrative, that is true. However, in my own experience, such people don't tend to last very long in intelligent research spaces online as their flawed logic is quickly exposed.

You talk about suppression. Both sides act the exact same way. If you enter their realm and attempt to talk what you feel is 'sense' into them, you'll get shouted out of the room.

I personally don't do that and rarely see anyone I value doing that. Your example of me getting annoyed with someone and putting them down is rare and as I have already said, it's not possible to know what is really going on without also knowing the emotions involved, what they need/want and why they are there. We almost never talk about this massive part of ourselves and so are left with a mind that is scrambling to define things without having the full ability to do so.

Even here, the whole anti-suppressant crowd has me tucked behind two mute barriers. What a joke.

Everyone has the right to freedom of association. You have entered the space with intention to challenge, which is fine, but you have often done so without really seeing things as others see the situation and jumping to conclusions that others disagree with. I don't know what you did to get muted, I haven't felt like muting you - but you do seem to have a tendency to grind an axe while putting people down and not listening to them fully.

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You straight up told someone they're not capable of thinking on their own.

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I would have to re-read it to comment in a meaningful way, but I remember thinking that we (you and I) were not seeing things in the same way.

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I confronted you because I thought it was disgusting how you treated that individual. Like a punching bag. All while anyone who fully agreed you put on a pedestal. That individual didn't even challenge you or your post. You straight up shot them down because you disagreed. I don't think you're a bad guy. But you do try way too hard to make yourself look good.

Kenny muted me after I confronted him awhile back. Someone downvoted him. He approached that individual talking about how the downvote was unjust and pointed out the massive number of comments there, acting like he'd done something special, but in reality it was my response that generated a metric shit ton of engagement, not his post. Just like you see here, and in your post from the other day. I create a bit of buzz. He then made a video boasting about how his post that day had "way more comments than anyone else on Hive" acting like he'd done something special. I simply called him out on his BS, because it was total bullshit. His response was a full denial full of arrogance, ignorance, and immaturity. I was treated like a number. A number he felt proud of. Some of the comments were just me shooting the shit with others, like you see here and in your post from the other day that have nothing to do with the subject matter. I just called him out on it all and he didn't like that. Once he muted me and removed me from the equation, the post he was boasting about, making a big scene and using as a reason why that downvote was unjust... it only had two comments. So without saying anything, my point was then fully proven and I walked away, left him alone. Then I saw him being sarcastic, you can see his comment in the screenshot I left below. He'll mock those who downvote, mute, and can't handle being questioned. Then in the post act like he's a proponent of truth. So I have reason to believe he's full of shit. And me being honest isn't putting anyone down like you accuse me of doing. Some in this group, yourself included, have put me down and treated me like crap on several occasions. Doesn't bother me. But I can sit here knowing for a fact there's some bullshit going on here. There's some people posing as pure greatness. I can say that because I know it's true, whether they like it or not.

I have a low tolerance for bullshit. I pointed that out right off the bat in our conversation today. I had suggested you refrain from spin as well and ridiculous rebuttals. I bet you'd deny those exist even though they're right in front of me.

I was dragged into this whole scene. I already explained that to you the other day in your post. Some in this group want to talk shit about me. Well here I am.

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To clarify, a lot of people in 'this group' are just people who post on similar topics who receive upvotes from the same people and who want to help each other out. It might seem like there's some kind of oragnised team effort going on, but there is minimal organisation and most Discord chat is light and unorganised. Many people here never speak to each other afaik outside of the comments you yourself have probably read.

I confronted you because I thought it was disgusting how you treated that individual. Like a punching bag. All while anyone who fully agreed you put on a pedestal. That individual didn't even challenge you or your post. You straight up shot them down because you disagreed.

I would have to see the thread to comment on it. I do vaguely remember it and I remember that I was feeling very stressed for a variety of reasons. Iirc, the person in question had made several comments and you only saw one of them - the gist of them was to dismiss what I was saying out of hand without providing any evidence or reasoning. That may not be exactly what happened, but that's the signature of what I recall at present without having my memory nudged more. Your limited capacity for bullshit is probably similar to mine - though I can also be extremely patient if I feel like it too. At that time I had been submerged in a swamp of people buying corporate lies, hook line and sinker and was frustrated that people's lazy thinking was possibly even going to lead to civil war. We made it through somehow, but many cities are fighting globally and this isn't over yet.

This is one of the most high stress times I have ever experienced and I am energetically more activated than a lot of people because of my awareness of the unconscious patterns involved. Someone might stumble into my post on a coffee break, not realising that I am aligned more to run a highly charged information ops room than to make small talk. Anyway, I'm sure if I saw the post and thread I would make more useful comments here.

I don't think you're a bad guy. But you do try way too hard to make yourself look good.

Thanks. 'Good' is subjective, but in my mind I take what you have said to mean 'squeeky clean' or 'honest'. Part of the reason for that is that I am so used to people using ad hominem attacks and derailing what is being said in unhelpful ways to try to discredit something they want silenced. I just do my best to minimise the possibility of that, in order to try to focus on my goals of disseminating logic and information that can help improve life.

As far as Kenny goes, I'm not seeing any screengrabs in the comments here, but it's clear that he is understandably upset and wanting to be heard/felt/understood. People are quick to judge and fabricate claims about the people that they are saying are themselves fabricating things.. That is the pattern I see being pointed out by most people here on both 'sides'. Perhaps we are highlighting a common thread in humans that affects many people that we all need to look at in order to avoid conflict and come to peace. This is actually the nature of a great deal of healing that I have done over the years - what we usually hate the most in others is something that we do ourselves too, but are in denial of.

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I'd really like to see you folks tackle your issues without the smear campaign and throwing folks under the bus. I'm bored with the platform politics. You found that out the other day. I disagree with the rift being created and enforced. I don't agree with how downvotes are used in some cases either. The things I say I say confidently because the chain is there to back me up. I represent myself and only myself. Act on my own.

And yes when I say 'this group' I'm using the term loosely and don't want to single anyone out. I guess attempting to describe how 'this group' acts towards me is a waste of time, but I know my personal experience well. If I push that any further 'this group' will only want to defend itself in order to protect the image they'd prefer. 'This group' can run a seemingly never ending smear campaign, but 'this group' will not tolerate much, if any, criticism. 'This group' assumes anyone who's not for it, is against it. No middle ground to enjoy.

I'll stop bugging you folks now and probably just leave the platform entirely for awhile. Again, the only reason I'm here is because some bullshit led me here to 'this group', and I'm sick of this bullshit. But I don't want to get into the details and lay it all out for everyone. I just know what I know.

Toodles.

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Well, thanks for sharing your perspective, all voices have something to offer - even if others are tired of hearing the message or adamantly oppose the voice. It may be that, as objectively as we can be, it is the case that a specific voice is espousing dangerous ideas that very definitely will lead to objectively terrible outcomes for everyone that adopts them - but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't hear them. At the same time, everyone who speaks publicly can expect to draw a reflection from others and from this they can always learn.

I'd really like to see you folks tackle your issues without the smear campaign and throwing folks under the bus

I agree that that would be a great ideal for all groups and all people. Sometimes people have had experiences and even traumas that lead them to feel that they don't have personal space to be able to interact with someone else without being defensively/ offensively triggered and so they lose balance. It takes courage and intent to be free enough to think openly and also to challenge our own (often deeply engrained) thinking in order to feel safe/free enough to always stay away from offensive behaviour. Ultimately, it is everyone's responsibility to notice where they may be acting out their own issues on other people in ways that aren't optimal for all involved.

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I've been around this block, forever. All this talking will lead to nothing. Fact.

This is a decentralized media platform. Not the Covid forum. Not the Truther forum. Not the alternative media forum. Not the (insert favorite political nonsense party name here) forum.

IF any group's information is being suppressed, and I don't just mean on the platform, I mean globally... Any group is now free to simply ACT, build their platform upon Hive, and carry on. I see that's in the works. So just go DO IT. Chiseling away at the very foundation is only shooting yourselves in the foot. We have years of trial and error to fall back on. Shouldn't be too hard to get it right. Why waste time yapping about it and playing politics? And oddly enough some of those folks you feel don't stand for freedom or didn't make the cut helped provide the some of the infrastructure required to enjoy the freedom you want, with no intention of ever taking it away, and still building upon it.

I have trouble believing some of you folks in 'this group'. Consistently able to put on a big show, talk a big game, FOR YEARS! Anytime something goes wrong it's a big hissy fit. Forever saying the solution is on the horizon yet it never comes. Stop fucking around and just do it already.

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Fair enough, we are!

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Good!

I'll believe it when I see it.

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Believing is seeing. lol.
A layer 2 token has been worked on for 18 months and the main reason it isn't live is because a founding team member had to drop out for personal reasons. It will either be on Hive Engine or if SPK gets layer 2 solutions going it will be on there. Once SPK gets going there will probably be an explosion of such projects.

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I've been looking forward to seeing what SPK has to offer as well. Are they getting close to release day? Seems to be taking awhile.

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Suggestions:

  1. Find something that was formerly considered a conspiracy theory that has been downvoted that is now considered truth or has been vindicated. Think things that legacy media would have deplatformed and censored such as the notion that vaccines would be mandated or the Wuhan lab theory (although I have had friends dispute the latter)
  2. Attempt to distinguish downvoting that is motivated on ideology versus tht which is purely disagreement of rewards. We know some justify their negative curation because they believe users don't offer value to Hive and do not include links to our beloved Blockchain. I think that may be a fair assessment. Find the cases that do not qualify as that.

I feel somewhat caught in the middle of this thing as I have people I would consider friends on both sides but vehemently oppose ideological downvotes. The question I feel they must ask themselves is what incentive is their behavior providing the current legacy social media's censorship / deplatform targets to join Hive if they exhibit similar conduct as those censors.

My contention is our target demographic tends to not be left oriented on the political compass and thus their behavior is not conducive to onboarding said users. Take it with a grain as of course I am biased but then again we all are to some extent.

Anyways, Kenny I appreciate your post and stance for freedom of speech. Hopefully these stakeholders will eventually come around. 🙏

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Hmmm, but aren't most upvotes received because the user agrees or the content/author speaks to them in a certain way? Upvotes are mostly ideological, so opposing that reasoning for downvotes is a hard sell.

I too am more in the middle. I don't think removing downvotes is the answer, but 1-5 users removing the will of 600 isn't going to cut it for long either.

Honestly, if the user isn't upvoting himself, then the rewards shouldn't be in question. I'd say the only time earnings should be questioned is if a large vote under control of the author is used on their own content. Just my opinion, of course.

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I think my view may be not so common but I think it would be good to upvote a well formulated argument even if you may disagree with the conclusion.

Of course, ultimately value is subjective but think arguments can be made as to what kind of moderation is in line with our shared objective of growing the platform.

But hell what do I know 🤷‍♂️

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In my opinion, an individual disagreeing with an author's conclusion should be free to downvote. However, if they do find said author's argument to be well-formulated, the downvote should probably be a 0% downvote, so as to establish disagreement without hampering the author's earnings.

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Oh also I used to be an ardent non-self upvoter. Ask @whatsup and she would probably be able to tell you.

I eventually conceded on that view and do believe users can curate their own content both up and down to what value the user feels is reasonable for their contribution (ideally imho). You may wonder "Who would downvote their own content?" But believe I've seen it and was actually moved to do it maybe once.

It was @kyle that I saw downvote his own meme which I had never seen before.

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Acidyo downvoted an ocdb post with both accounts, because it was sitting in trending too long just yesterday, I believe.

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Self votes (within reason) I think are a positive thing, but I am so over the rewards disagreement group, I just can't.

Do you know the movie War Games? If not my next lines will be meaningless.
Thermal Nuclear War
Tic-Tac-Toe
Or downvote conversations..

Things no one can win.

I get the new people trying to grasp it, but those who are going on 5 years... Carry on boys! :)

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I only voted for your comment because it was a self vote, even though we're not the same person. I get half. I agree with how lame it is talking about downvotes. But again, that's not why I voted. I just think it's humorous to push a button and give myself money sometimes. Thanks for being a good sport. Taking more than half though. That's just being greedy.

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Funny thing I accidentally upvoted my own stuff today, from the leofinance front page, it has to do with how notifications are shown. I panicked

OMG the REEEEwards police are going to get me. That's not making a fun site.

Good to see you funny guy! :)

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Excessive self voting with intent to dump is typically frowned upon. I know I personally don't approve of that, especially nowadays when one gets half regardless. When self voting spirals out of control, like we've seen in the past, it's not a fun site, or sight. Thousands of people sit there with nothing and have to watch several others with fat wallets congratulate themselves all day on a job well done. Think back to the most excessive form of self voting of all time; vote buying. That was a disaster. It was so hard to be funny back then...

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When you play tic-tac-toe do you prefer to start in the corner or the middle?

Posted Using LeoFinance Beta

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Depends which day of the week it is. But usually I just stare at the board and tap my pen while placing a look of focused determination on my face until the one I'm attempting to defeat becomes annoyed and quits. I call that move the tic-tac-toe TKO and it works like a charm.

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NICE! I usually grab the paper and tear it up mid game to stop the other person from thinking they might win! lol

I'll chat with you elsewhere, I do think it's a great idea to check witness votes, but I don't want to participate in this.

Like I said, happy to see you around!

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For sure I'll see you around. I only came to be a dash of irony, as I'm muted, so combined with the context here, and my sense of humor, I find it difficult to keep a straight face.

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I came here to see who I should bless with downvotes today.

But, I was disappointed. So, I came here to say hi.

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Well hello there! Fancy seeing you here. Small world and all that. If you'd like, you can downvote me if you want. You can practice the button and I can practice not freaking the fuck out.

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Nah.

These days, I like to sink my downvotes into some Koreans that still feel like they are entitled to their HIVE after siding with Justin Sun.

It’s a hobby.

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I'd like to learn Korean someday and be friends with Koreans and visit Korea to see the sights and look at all the fancy lights.

I didn't realize some folks were still around acting pissy about those events from the past, long ago. Certainly highlights how dangerous and irresponsible voting by proxy and forfeiting those responsibilities over to someone else can be. I didn't notice but does this post include a warning when Kenny commanded they forfeit those responsibilities to him or is that part conveniently left out?

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Proxies expire a year after they are set if no further governance actions originate from the setter since the last fork. So, at least, it mitigates the effect of forgotten proxy with massive power somewhat.

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Anyway, looks like they've completely wiped my presence from this place so, yeah. I can just imagine how much 'free speech' I'd be offered visiting the 'Information War' frontend they come up with. So typical of these platform politics. Agree, or else...

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Laced with irony.

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Whatever. Funniest part is, I don't like seeing folks getting pushed around with downvotes either. Some folks from this crowd though, based on my experience talking with some... If you don't fully agree or challenge someone or ask the wrong question or get them rattled in any way, they'll often write you off as a player of the opposing team, since there are seemingly only two sides 'us or them' in their minds. I only represent myself though. They've always had trouble believing that. I don't even talk to anyone off chain. So it's always funny to me to get lumped into that pile and discarded like trash. A common occurrence, but only with a few in this crowd. Plus I'm probably a bit of an asshole, but that stems from me being sick of this shit.

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I get what you are saying.

Depending on the peeps I talk to on the internet, I am either a right winger or libtard because my position doesn't always align with theirs.

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I don't know what the fuck I am. More about being in the moment I guess. Just wandering the halls of illusions. Misunderstood and miscategorized everywhere I go. Roll with the punches. Far too honest and I think I make people nervous because of that. Don't really care what people think of me but have no problem pointing things out like: I think these people think I'm fucked in the head.

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Proving the accuracy of many so called 'coincidence theories' is fairly easy and self evident to those who research them. When it comes to COVID, there is a long record of people such as myself being proven correct by all sorts of data and science, but this makes no difference to the big downvoters - they have absolutely no intention of addressing the actual details and have made this abundantly and overtly crystal clear.

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Ohh.. the crazy 'anti vaxxers'.. Tell that to Austria.

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It's good that this is being discussed, I just want to say that one of those recommended witnesses (who likes to blow his own trumpet about being free speech) nuked the living crap out of one of my alt accounts because he disagreed with a comment I posted (and it wasn't even on one of his own posts)

Now I have to comment using this burner account because ALL my alt accounts are being downvoted due to my anti coronahoax position.

Hive is fully censored.

@frot

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Ur being nuked on frot?

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Hell yes - every comment, every post, post rewards are off but rep goes down if i comment

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😊👍

Thank you for supporting us witnesses.

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My pleasure!

As it happens, I am voting for your witness.

Care to give your sales pitch for your witness, for myself and those looking?

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Of course. As witness I defend both network stability(obviously) ans free speech. My main profile is my main personal Witness getting votes from people who trust me enough to support my ascension to the Top100 witnesses. I believe most of my electors happen to know me from the Steemworld adaptation I made for Hive named Hivetasks(name suggested by one of the @dbuzz admins).

My secondary witness, @perfilbrasil exist mostly to promote Brazilian content and creators on this platform, like giving a 1 cent upvote to every content written in Portuguese.

Again, thank you for your support.

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I don't normally upvote you, because of your views on food I appreciate and feel you have not only attacked people who like beef but for no reason aside from personal clout for a PR campaign in a green earth movement.

I will support this kind of content though.

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Though there are a few two-faced types in this group posing as the saviors of humanity and all things Hive while the double standards run rampant, I'd say, based on experience, Kenny is by far one of the biggest hypocrites.

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lol I know a thing or 2 that the public doesnt, and yeah if you know what i know, hypocrite would be an understatement.

I just like to reach across the isle and see what kind of response I get while treading neutral ground in ordeals like the looming downvote war. I call it a downvote war, but if that's not what is coming, then I don't know how to define this internet drama.

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It's ridiculous, and boring. Classic case of politics. Everyone pretends to be awesome for the cameras...

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No me, i am a self glorified Satanist who doesnt give a single fuck. I was here for the liberty and sovereignty of wealth but better opportunities exist on competitive services to hive since the rhetoric has dissolved into bias and non conclusive debate.

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Well of course all people can do is talk in circles. Politics gonna politic.

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lol I know a thing or 2 that the public doesnt, and yeah if you know what i know, hypocrite would be an understatement.

Do share - I'd love to know what stories are being told about me, or what flaws of mine I haven't already published on the chain?

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Anything I know is on chain. I am not going to proliferate drama because it's not going to make either of is look good and I just wanted to support your freedom of expression is originally why I came here

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I would challenge you to take another look at the one situation where someone made those claims, and the full context of the conversation (not just the claims he was shouting everywhere he could) and what came before it.

You'll also notice that you can find that post by scrolling through my feed as well as his, because I am always happy to have a back & forth, especially when someone makes claims about me :-)

I have supported the content of multiple people on (and posting about) carnivore and keto diets, and I still do.

If I only supported people who I agreed with about everything, I would only vote on... maybe 1 or 2, maybe 3 other people posting on Hive - rather than hundreds.

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Cool as long as you are open to debate i wont take others opinions into account. I try to maintain a neutral bias with controversial people and can easily give you benefit of the doubt in these cases.

I just hope your intentions are genuine is all i could say.

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Didn’t you started powerdown. Meaning you don’t plan to have any stake or any vested interest in betterment of hive. Why would I believe or hear anything you have to say? You have no vested interest in hive.

Oh Kenny, on your list there are a few witnesses that I really want to get into top 20. So if you are even remotely successful in moving the needle you will be of big help to me personally.

Thanks in advance!!

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Both Pharesim and OCD have powerdowns active, but I know you aren't interested in balanced and reasoned conversations, so I'll just point that out and move on.

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No I am, and I will answer it. Because you are clueless on blockchain projects. So it is my responsibility to educate NOT you, but others on blockchain, so that you can't misinform them.

They both run curation project which requires them to share the curation income to delegators. They therefore will always stay on PD.

Pharesim in an individual and he hold 1M HP. An amount you don't even dream of keeping powered up. So please, stop talking about nonsense and things that you don't really understand. You worse, TRYING to spin.

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That is pharesim HP all delegated to curangel. Happy? What are you going to do about it? Buy 1 Million hive and power up? LOL.

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Of course, it makes perfect sense.. The accounts you are connected to have valid reasons to power down and those you dont't like do not and are traitors to Hive. It's a perfectly rational position to take, yes. Clearly there are rules about powering down that are never spoken about or written down - which you are enforcing through verbal slurs, again - it's all totally rational. The fact that 12 out of the 20 top ten witnesses are currently powering down is only evidence that they are traitors to Hive who are trying to destroy Hive, yes.

Wow, what I am I thinking - even daring to think for myself here.. I don't have 1M HP, how could I even imagine to have the audacity to verbalise cognitive processes.. I am ashamed.

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I am not connected to any of the account you mentioned

Do I use a bigger font? Will that help?

You ask for an explanation. I GAVE you an explanation. What is your problem?

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You are friends with Pharesim and run Curangel together, so yes, you are connected to Pharesim. But even if you had never met him and had never worked with Curangel or anyone else I mentioned, it makes no difference to my point. My obvious point being that you are trying to diminish the character of people based on nonsensical metrics that you are selectively applying in order to try to bolster a position that no-one but you takes seriously. You are essentially saying that anyone who powers down is anti Hive. You have no clue what they are going to use the money for - they might be literally spending it on Hive marketing, as people have done before - or paying for servers or even employees to work on Hive projects. It is you who seems to have no clue about so many things that I am at a loss to explain it.

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And what are YOU doing?

I don't have any metric.

I am NOT a witness. What I say doesn't matter. I am just a stakeholder like yourself. Anything I say is my opinion and mine only. A am entitled to MY opinion.

My last word on the subject.

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A metric is a standard of measurement and I am referring to your use of the powerdown status of accounts as a standard of measurement of the account owner's intent to help Hive in some way - so yes, you do have a metric and have expressed that in your own way.

You are absolutely entitled to express yourself here, no-one is suggesting otherwise. You are publicly slandering people who are very busy in working to improve Hive and as such you are triggering a response to that slander. Further, you are a major cause of the existence of the fairly large scale efforts on Hive to address issues that your behaviour has surfaced. The issues could have surfaced anyway, as a result of other people, so they always needed to be addressed - however, I am just pointing out that you are contradicting yourself energetically. You are saying on the one hand that your opinions don't matter - but on the other hand you are voting heavily in order to enforce your opinion. Clearly, to the Hive community, your opinion does matter - just as everyone's matters automatically due to DPOS.

I am actually a witness as well as a stakeholder and have been here since a couple of months after Steem launched in 2016. I have had a degree in systems engineering for 20 years, made software for the world's largest investment banks, been involved in blockchain for a long time and am friends with numerous fairly high profile people in the space. I've been programming since I was 4 years old. You are not qualified or in touch with enough information to determine whether I know anything about blockchain or not.

Setting all of that aside, I am involved in numerous projects that help Hive and I would be involved in even more if I wasn't having to dedicate so much time to addressing the results of your own personal actions.

You will find out some of what I am working on soon enough.

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Please share your LinkedIn Profile :)

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I barely use LinkedIn so there is little point to that. You will just see my age, photo, name, education history and rough job history before I started running my own company. None of this is useful to the context of this conversation and given that you have already been warned by an apparent law enforcement officer, publicly for physically threatening someone - unsurprisingly, I don't really feel like helping you commit the crimes you have been threatening others with.

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How is asking to share a professional experience to a professional a threat? Especially when that professional is volunteering his resume to impress upon me. A LinkedIn profile is a simple way to express a professional profile, is it not? Or do I even stop talking about this subject too ?

I actually have you muted, but still was trying to be helpful, but that is a mistake on my end. I really must request you to stop having any communication with me. People request that over internet, correct? I am expressing my personal preference that I am reluctant to have any further communication with you politely. Is that a fair statement?

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You are the only person in 5 years of using Steem/Hive that I know of that has made physical threats of intimidation and violence, backed up by statements that demonstrate capacity to act on those threats. This is what motivated the lengthy response to you from another apparent professional of the law enforcement variety. From a security perspective, no-one should be sharing personal information with you until you demonstrate such behaviour to be safe. So far, you haven't even apologised, as you were asked to by said enforcement officer - so you have not demonstrated any good will in that regard.

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Do you have a list which of the top 50 block producers and API operators are associated or in company with this tough guy

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I haven't spent much time looking into it, I only know that he downvotes for Curangel and that Curangel is run by Pharesim.

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The fact that 12 out of the 20 top ten witnesses are currently powering down is only evidence that they are traitors to Hive who are trying to destroy Hive, yes.

I think they will appreciate that sort of libel being published on the chain.

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I was clearly being sarcastic.

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Sarcasm isnt real.

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Sounds like a conspiracy theory tbh.

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A very old movement that is starting to catch on.

Indeed, birds are not real. Every bird in current existence is infact a government drone, subcontracted out by Amazon and Facebook of course.

The birds know all, the birds see all, they do not forgive, they do not forget, expect them, they are legion!!!!

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As a member of the hybrid bird/reptile people - I take great offence at the slander of my ancestors. You can indeed expect us, we poop without remorse and we love the shiny things.

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As a member of the hybrid bird/reptile people - I take great offence at the slander of my ancestors. You can indeed expect us, we poop without remorse and we love the shiny things.

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Are they not powering down? The claim usually has to be false to be considered grounds for libel. Just opining negatively about someone isn't enough to get to court even if you technically could file a frivolous case.

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Are they not powering down? The claim usually has to be false to be considered grounds for libel. Just opining negatively about someone isn't enough to get to court even if you technically could file a frivolous case.

I assume that the "libel" being spoken about was calling them traitors to Hive, sarcastically.

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Well he stated that it "was evidence of them being traitors". Libel generally requires 2 components a false claim and unjust harm to someone's reputation. Impeaching someone's character does not equate to libel. Someone could frame this as "weak" evidence but that doesn't make it a false claim.

If we were to tone police the statement to something less incendiary but still steelman the position, it would be something like "The fact that 12 of 20 of the top witnesses are powering down is bad optically and could shake consumer confidence". The claim is true not false and even if someone could dismiss the traitorous rationale as incorrect, it still isn't libel. It would just be a weak argument or false equivalence.

This is the exact reason that it's important to have proper discourse on chain. Downvoting posts a person don't like to oblivion is a much less effective measure than communicating why a person's reasoning is faulty. But it's a lot easier than having discourse and gives people inverse slot machine dopamine rushes when they're griefing other people. As long as the perverse incentive structures exist, it's likely that model will dominate over a more truly "proof of brain" model.

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@kennyskitchen First, I’m not one for self-gratification, but then again, I’m usually late to the party - so I was very proud to see that I was the first to reblog this post, or at least I think I was - if not, please disregard :)

Ok. Next I want to follow up on the question above. I’m curious about this too, but just curious.

I do remember reading in one of your recent posts that you’re planning to leave. I like what you stand for and I would really hope to be able to stay here since I’m kind of attached to the content I have been and will continue to be posting. While I’m curious your response to this question, I don’t at this time see you as someone who’s acting with dubious intentions. If there is a new project coming up, is it fair to assume you don’t have interests still here? At the start of this post I thought maybe you’d changed your mind and decided to fight to fix what you see as wrong from within, which I though was really hopeful.

The free speech aspect is why I chose to set roots here, like two weeks ago. Your first post about this made my heart sink. I had just found a home for safe and protected free speech, and then that. I tried to rationalize it in my mind. I’m posting about making fermented drinks and ruck marching and magick. No one cares, nor will there likely ever be a reason someone should want to silence me aggressively, don’t rock the boat. These witnesses are probably just trying to protect the mainstream viability of the platform, since maybe most people don’t want to here or see things that defy the asshole narrative that’s being crammed down everyone’s throats… woo woo woo. So for a moment I have to admit, I was going to let this shake out however the hell without getting involved, but then it clicked.

See, for that post and each one since, I’ve typed and deleted at least three long responses. I never posted one though, because I didn’t want voicing my support to cost me the support of others. The opportunity to make money for my posts (and the fear of damaging that potential) was almost enough to keep me silent - particularly because I tend to post pretty benign shit - but in truth like I said, the biggest appeal when I came here was the ability for people to speak freely. My content isn’t under attack now, but if I stay silent while yours is, there will be no one to help when it comes for me, and while I don’t post anything controversial or counter-fuckery, I love basking in the brilliant work of others such as yourself that does exactly that. So I have every reason to stand in support.

I’ve proxied my votes to you for this account and my six little broke ass communities. They have no accrued value at this time, but I am in vehement opposition to censorship. So thank you. I’m going to go back to lurking and posting my benign shit now :)

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See, for that post and each one since, I’ve typed and deleted at least three long responses. I never posted one though, because I didn’t want voicing my support to cost me the support of others. The opportunity to make money for my posts (and the fear of damaging that potential) was almost enough to keep me silent - particularly because I tend to post pretty benign shit - but in truth like I said, the biggest appeal when I came here was the ability for people to speak freely. My content isn’t under attack now, but if I stay silent while yours is, there will be no one to help when it comes for me, and while I don’t post anything controversial or counter-fuckery, I love basking in the brilliant work of others such as yourself that does exactly that. So I have every reason to stand in support.

Safety in numbers. Theres a lot more people just like you. I myself started bringing up these issues earlier this year and didnt talk about it too much before. It is the elephant in the roon.

The main question is this:

Is the Ethos of Hive people getting along and earning crypto for posting content, or is it the whim of a few millionaires who get to decide if you earn or not. I sincerely hope we can all move forward and ideological downvoting comes to an end and we can just focus on growing the chain.

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I’m on board! I don’t care nearly as much about profiting from my content as I do about sharing it and getting conversations started. And I care less about both of those things than I do about protecting free speech and information, so really I’m disappointed in myself for having ever questioned it, but I’m going to give myself a hug, say “It’s ok buddy, you’re here now, so don’t beat yourself up,” and I’m going to say “be damned” to anyone who chooses to stop socializing with me because I take a stand for free speech. You push a man of peace too deep into a corner, and you knight him into a man of action. This is bigger than Hive.

Thanks for your response and encouragement :)

🧙‍♂️ Ksapa hwo!

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That's a very respectable position. I hope current events helps those who were complacent in the past to come to a similar revelation.

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I was wondering what 'the dream' was and so decided click on it. lol

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I can't put my Hive witness vote on anyone with Steem in their name. Seems really hypocritical and new witnesses should have been started from that crew. The rest, I'll look into and thanks for including me on the list. @someguy123 will have my vote forever already due to an incident in the past he remedied and fixed promptly. Great post tho, well done.

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Thanks for the kind words, and your vote :)

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Whoever is directly controlling the V2K told me to kill myself.
They told me if I killed myself now it would save the lives of countless others.
Saying the longer I wait to kill myself the more people will suffer.


They are reckless and should have shown the proper media what they had before taking me hostage for 5 years. I know there are many in prison that dont deserve to be there because of this. Your stay in prison will not be fun @battleaxe and friends. People are going to want you dead when they find out what you did. I hope you die a slow painful death. You sick mother fuckers.

https://peakd.com/gangstalking/@acousticpulses/electronic-terrorism-and-gaslighting--if-you-downvote-this-post-you-are-part-of-the-problem

Its a terrorist act on American soil while some say its not real or Im a mental case. Many know its real. This is an ignored detrimental to humanity domestic and foreign threat. Ask informed soldiers in the American military what their oath is and tell them about the day you asked me why. Nobody has I guess. Maybe someone told ill informed soldiers they cant protect America from military leaders in control with ill intent. How do we protect locked up soldiers from telling the truth?
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Ya, that is an interesting one... I wonder if @peakd ever plans on changing their witness node to an account with a different name?

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we've talked about it. Not sure if it's worth all the hassle involved with doing it.

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Fantasticly written post highlighting what witnesses represent, the power they have and a very clear perspective on the current governance model.

You are touching on many points in this post and really highlighting them clearly.

As i see it the challenge we have is how to govern a system with many diverging interests. As Hive/Steem was originally envisioned, moderation was intended to be somehow built into the base layer using economic and social incentives. Downvotes were added but its not clear if they actually are useful. They are clearly being used by some influential accounts to shape Hive in their view of the world. I don't know what the answer is but i would ask one thing
Stick with the Hive ecosystem to find a solution

Different witnesses could be the answer, i am not even going to begin to list my grievances as this post is long enough but they have also done a lot of good. We are in a good place on Hive but there is obviously work to do. Maybe a regular election cycle or campaign season for witnesses would help. There is not enough rotation at the top. When we see the top 20 competing for their places and seeking support we will be in a good place and i hope Hive can be a home for people with lots of different beliefs and philosophies

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Thanks for the inadvertent (as in, someone I follow reblogged your post) reminder. I actually haven't checked my witness votes in a couple of months and have just tweaked them a bit...

While I don't talk much about politics here on Hive (or on any social media these days), I'm a libertarian (small L because the Libertarian Party, especially in New Hampshire, has strayed very far from what my freedom loving husband and I fell in love with back in the 90s, to the point we both ran for NH State Rep on the Libertarian ticket many moons ago... but I digress). And after watching everything go down with JS back on our legacy chain, these are the 30 people/teams I trust the most to keep our blockchain home safe from those who would abuse/destroy it. YMMV, obvs.

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Power leads people to feeling better than others and it always leads to corruption. When someone thinks they're literally a better person and stops treating others as humans, but as subjects, it's a problem. Thanks for the reminder on this, I haven't updated my witnesses since much earlier this year!

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When someone thinks they're literally a better person and stops treating others as humans, but as subjects, it's a problem.

Oh the irony coming from the asshole selfvoting themselves 96% of the time.

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You're the one trolling me on every page, and screenshotting just a week where I was busy and not reading things is definitely pretty weird, point to my last week, why don't you?

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I pulled history for 365 days, was still around 70% self vote.

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"around 70"

look, marky, I took your criticism and acted on it. the continued bullying is just weird and it's honestly not going to change anything. I understood your point and all you're doing is continuing to troll me and act weird about it all over the place. Feel free to downvote me but replying to me and harassing me in random threads is childish and creepy.

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Thanks so much for writing this powerful post, Kenny.
Many a downtrodden H1V3R that toil to create conscious
and quality works appreciate these various calls to action!

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