RE: SteemWorld Support tomorrow ON or OFF?
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Why are you so negative? That won't help you much on your way, tweety :)
There is nothing negative about my comment, tweety... it was in response to your post, which seems quite .. well.. like throwing a fit? That is quite a passive aggressive response, I must say.
Correct me, if I'm wrong, but isn't SteemPeak also a closed source project that wants to get funded through SPS?
Steempeak did put in a proposal, yes.. (which they have not received any funding on) and they seem to not only not feel entitled to funding (stating updates will happen either way), but also understand that funding is not guaranteed and stated even “we acknowledge that we will be funded at some points and not at others, and are ok with that.” And get this.. even did a detailed proposal listing exactly what would be added and have done many updates as well as implementation already.
Not really sure your point of bringing that up.. but in my opinion - yes a well done front end and landing page is better for the price of STEEM then a tool used by a percentage of individuals already here ... but I wasn’t actually comparing, you were.
So I’m not sure what that has to do with this?
I won't comment much on this, but let me tell you that you are way to much focused on negative aspects, imo. I'm glad that you don't work for me, because I'm sure that I would go crazy over time... ^^
I don’t work for anyone here, so I’ll add you to the list of those who are glad I don’t work for them I guess 🤷♀️
“Yes” men are better for the ego, but honesty from a committed community member can be pretty enlightening. Of course it’s easier to then try to bash the person, which really shows your character there.
Odd to try to focus or imply on me being negative just because I am critical of your choices. I guess I missed all that positivity in your guilt trip of a post.
My response was not meant to be aggressive. I'm a very sensitive person and your comments often are so ... punching right in the face, even without knowing much about the other side of the story. For your style of wording there is a different style of reply required, I think.
Let's be real. It would be way better for SteemPeak (and all of us) to get always funded by the SPS. With or without details about updates, many people do like and use the platform regularly and that's enough imo. We should not be focused too much on every single detail, when the overall mission is a good one.
Yes, you are critical and that's not a bad thing, but you should try to be more empathic in your wording.
So you come at me with an aggressive response, as well as all your buds, and your excuse is that you are a sensitive person and I lack empathy? Ok.. well my comment was constructive and had a point, yours was just to attack me. Can I now come in and point out all the ways you attacked me and hurt me, as I am a sensitive person as well?
Maybe if you could just focus on the actual project and my actual response, instead of turning this into some sort of emotional thing, this would be more productive.
And I highly disagree with that statement and it makes me question if you understand what the fund is and how it’s supplied.
No one should be “always funded” especially with no desire to provide details on what is being funded. In fact I’d rather it all be burned than that.
It’s not a free for all... it’s inflation and the price is in the toilet. That should be a concern for us all. Perhaps that is what you should be empathetic of.
@justineh To be honest I've been on your side with most of what you say but I did feel your comments on this post seem very aggressive and unnecessary. You do come across as attacking the user for putting out the post rather than giving an opinion which we are all entitled to have. It's it's to provide useful feedback even better. Good or bad.
Steemworld is the best tool on the chain for users to get information and has been since I started so funding some development for it isn't bad thing and is what the SPS is designed for. There are no guarantees for funding it but a worthwhile investment. I agree that projects getting funded should be putting out information to show how the money is being used as we have seen enough exit scams over the years but there is a way to go about it and i think you missed the mark on this one.
I advised him to focus on telling us about his project and how it adds value, not focus on personal issues of why he needs funding. I feel that was pretty good advice honestly.
As I said in another comment, I could have probably worded it better, and can acknowledge that. But quite frankly this type of post is not new for this particular user and at some point it needs to be pointed out.
Yes, I could have done so better.
Thanks.
100% you had some good advice in there as well and something for him to take on board but as you know yourself the message can sometimes get lost amongst the drama.
:D
All we can do is keep trying to improve and work together for the best outcome. Have fun.
"opinions we are all entitled to have" what a load of horse shit. According to her on her Buddy Bernie Sanders post
he created titled "if you want free speech go write in a diary", she is the top voted comment by Bernie in which she fully agrees with his thoughts. You see.. only her and Bernie are allowed freedom of opinion and thought. Not you little pee ons.
https://steemit.com/notentitledtoshit/@berniesanders/you-want-free-speech-go-write-in-a-diary
As I said, my comment was not meant to be aggressive and I don't want to attack you in any way. I even voted your comment in the first place with a 100% vote, because, as I stated, I saw a few good advices in there. Let's just stop the drama here.
I just wanted to say that there is no reason for well known and from a large part of the community regularly used platforms to talk about each single move they make, because the time could rather be spent for developing new features instead.
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People like you are the ones who complain about closed source applications, when they are using Windows, Adobe, Office, etc. and their children also work with closed software.
Hypocrites, false, liars and opportunists
I’m literally not complaining about closed source and my comment does nothing of the sort .. in fact I disagree with the “open source or nothing” mentality. I just don’t see why someone feels so strongly that his project should be paid for by the community, when it’s privately owned and not meant to benefit the community as a whole.
You seem quite emotionally invested in this. I get he’s a nice guy and probably many of your friend, perhaps read my comment again and stop assuming you need to defend him, as I wasn’t attacking.
First full disclosure: I do not know you @justineh and I do not know @steemchiller. I do not have a dog in this fight.
What I do have though; I have a stake in this platform. And for this platform to work, the "influential folks", yeah that is you both, must work together. You both claim to be sensitive; but this post is already a dog flight!
@justineh you start your original comment with this
Not a very good way to start a sensitive discussion, eh? If you like the project, vote; if you don't, don't vote. If you think this post is over-rewarded, take action. Stop writing long comments!
@steemchiller; I support your project and voted this post with 100% VP and many of your past posts too. But you do sound like a "guilt trip". I have reached out to multiple individuals with both large and small stake to vote for your project, and you do not even know me. But my request to you, is to tone it down. This is not a proper tone to ask for funding support.
my two cents
Fair assessment and yes I should be more careful with my wording. This is the second post which I have read about the project that was nothing about the project and more focus on a guilt trip. I guess I just felt the need to address it.
Clearly I could have done so better.
Thanks for the advice.
Thank you!
much better
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Nice responses, me i get plenty of flags then the holier than thou on discord, you are a bully now!
What a load of bullshit. You are Aggroed and you are a PERSONAL friend of Justine. So fuck off with your "I don't have a dog in this fight" horse shit.
https://imgur.com/a/fUsKuqJ
Steemfriends.org is no longer working. The exchanges are dropping Steem. Steem is falling in ranks. They are killing Steem on purpose. They are pulling a "building 7" of Sept 11 style planned collapse on Steemit Inc. Bankruptcy is coming in 2020. Brace for impact.
Just another example. Steemworld is next..
https://steemfriends.org/index.php
I think it's safe to say that the support staff of basically every Steem-based service relies on SteemWorld. I've run or worked for a diverse range of services at this point and none of them would have been functional without SteemWorld's access to recent blockchain data. The only other service that's remotely comparable is Steem Block Explorer, which is painful to work with.
Maybe you don't use SteemWorld but if it stopped my business would become incredibly more difficult to operate, as would each of the others I've worked with, and I presume quite a few others. I'm a fan of Steempeak but its importance is not comparable.
I was not comparing, only pointing out the issues I saw in the post.
For my projects I pay for a service which we depend on.
I’ve never said that steemworld did not add value and have supported it in the past. I know many users find it valuable. I was simply pointing out (since for some reason the comparison was being made even though the two projects are not competing for funding or anything of the sort) that it does nothing for adoption, rather just provides a service for those already here (which again, is valuable).
Care to give an example there? It’s a UI for the Steem api. I can’t think of a Steem based service that would depend on it or why. (Honest question here). It is a way to easily see the data in a user friendly UI, but what services depend on it? Curious what I am missing there.
I just do not agree with the idea that it should 100% rely on community funding through the SPS and then get posts like this when the voting fluctuates. To me it shows lack of knowledge of the system and the comments show lack of concern for the price of STEEM.
The project has been highly supported and I would have bet that it would have received funding from SPS again. Many proposals have fluctuated and that meant they didn’t get “all” or any of the funding asked for.. it’s how it works.
I guess I was just taken aback by the post which (like the proposal) was more about personal issues and less about the project that funding was being asked for.
I never said the project does not add value.. if it didn’t, it wouldn’t have received the funding that it has.
Basically anytime anyone does anything with Steem and ends up with a result they don't expect. When I was with Minnowbooster, this was "I sent a transfer and didn't get a vote" or "I got the wrong size vote." (Even today Steemworld is still the only place it's reasonable to see a transfer and a vote on the same page.) At SBI it's "I sent a transfer that was missed" or "The bot isn't voting my posts" or "Is the bot working right today?" Reading a vote pattern anywhere else to figure out which part of the bot might be broken is just lol.
In the Mesopotamians I used Steemworld as a list of posts the accounts were voting in order to generate statistics and do the membership curation posts. At that time no front end had the ability to create a feed of posts an account had voted on.
When I was writing test code for curation maximization, SteemWorld's curation return predictor was essential for being able to work on my methods in real time. Nobody else does this.
At Otterworks, without SteemWorld I might not be able to develop for Splinterlands at all. Not only is it there for me to verify transactions that go astray, and for the many, many times when Steem-Engine can't report its own data correctly, but the other explorers have all decided to obfuscate Splinterlands custom JSONs. The data structure in them is both extremely important and almost entirely undocumented, so pretty much the only way to learn to do anything is to make a transaction and peer at its contents. Even on Steemd they look like this:
That's not expandable, by the way. If something goes wrong with one of those it's colossally useless. On Steemworld they expand to their full data and I can see what's going on.
Lately at Herons Unlimited I've been having to create accounts with account creation tokens due to a technical issue with a new way Splinterlands is doing signups. Even as a dev, it is ludicrously difficult to do this in a practical fashion anywhere but SteemWorld.
Yes, it's a UI for the Steem API. That's something everybody doing anything here needs, and it's the only one that does it well on an immediate scale. Beem's probably more important to me overall, but Beem is clunky as hell to do anything you need to do one-off, like answer "what went wrong in that transaction?" The other web interfaces aren't worth talking about; all the ones that have decent UI, like Peak's history, selectively omit things. As I posted above even the canonically rawest block explorer made itself useless for a lot of the transactions I deal with. Steemblockexplorer is ok once you're used to its quirks, but it still takes fives times as long to do anything with.