Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc

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So I'm on like day four of the coof, which traditionally for me would be the crescendo for viral infections. Normally feeling my worst around day four if I get a cold or the flu. Surprisingly covid has been pretty mild in this regard. Feeling pretty alright at the moment. Silver linings!

It's also such weird timing. My "roommates" have abandoned the apartment for fear of getting infected by the dreaded coof. Yes, they are quadruple vaccinated. Actually it's a bit weirder than that. My roommate's parents had a timeshare situation that was about to expire, so she was always planning to take a little vacation for free. Just so happens my illness has seemingly expedited this process, or at least make it a much convenient solution to the issue at hand.

Another reason why the timing is weird is because over a year ago a buddy of mine told me to buy Vitamin C, D, and Zinc to boost my immune system and whatnot. And then randomly a week ago I actually did it... and now a week later I have COVID. Coincidence!?! Hm, yes, that's exactly what it is. Not everything needs to be connected. That crowded breakfast café obviously didn't do me any favors.

In any case, I wonder if these supplements are actually helping. Seems like they might be. My girlfriend calls them "expensive pee", as there are many conflicting reports about taking supplements (especially multi-vitamins). There are many 'experts' that claim they have no effect, and plenty leftover to make the exact opposite remarks. At the end of the day most people simply want confirmation bias so they'll end up asking Google leading questions that confirm what they want to be true.

Research suggests that certain dietary supplement ingredients might improve immune response and reduce symptoms of some respiratory illnesses, like the common cold and flu. Popular supplement ingredients that are thought to support immune health include vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc, elderberry, echinacea, and probiotics.

Let's be real though.

At the end of the day taking supplements is an extremely sub-par way of handling the health of a human body. People have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. How long have supplements been around? It's been confirmed time and time again that trying to get the same result through artificial means has noticeable diminishing returns. An extremely healthy and well-planned diet is going to trump supplements every single time.

Counterpoint

But what if my supplements work simply because I believe they work? Placebo Effect is a helluva drug. There's a reason why every single drug trial needs to have a control group where people are being told they are being given the drug even though they're just sugar-pill blanks. It is truly shocking how simply the belief that improvement will happen can completely change our actual experience.

Diet and Exercise.

I always love how every time we go to the doctor they make sure to remind us how utterly irrelevant they are in so so many regards. The solution to almost all aliments is diet and exercise. You really have to wonder how many times someone beat cancer without even realizing it simply because their body resolved the problem before it spiraled out of control.

So on the one hand we have 'experts' making claims that supplements don't do anything, and yet those same 'experts' know for a fact and diet and exercise are vitally important to both physical and mental health. But what is a supplement if not part of someone's diet? Make it make sense.

Trust is lacking.

The medical industrial complex is probably one of capitalism's biggest failures. Even worse than infinite war and for-profit prisons. We can see the incentives. If it makes money, someone is going to want to do it, and if it doesn't make money but is still extremely valuable to society, someone might try to make it happen but end up going broke (or buried by the competition) during the scaling up process. When we apply this logic to the medical industry it's downright frightening. Go into the doctor to have your ears cleaned and get slapped with a $2000 bill. Get a prescription filled only to realize that some dipshit pharma bro jacked up the price x100. Fun stuff.

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Vitamin C

It is necessary for the proper functioning of the immune system, the production of collagen, and the absorption of iron. Vitamin C is also an antioxidant, which means it helps to protect cells from damage caused by free radicals. Some research suggests that vitamin C may help to reduce the severity and duration of common cold symptoms, and it may also help to protect against cardiovascular disease and certain types of cancer.

Vitamin D

It is a fat-soluble vitamin that has long been known to help the body absorb and retain calcium and phosphorus; both are critical for building bone. Also, laboratory studies show that vitamin D can reduce cancer cell growth, help control infections and reduce inflammation.

Zinc

Zinc is a trace mineral, meaning that the body only needs small amounts, and yet it is necessary for almost 100 enzymes to carry out vital chemical reactions. It is a major player in the creation of DNA, growth of cells, building proteins, healing damaged tissue, and supporting a healthy immune system.

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Which one of the above quotes was generated from AI?

The easiest way to get vitamin D is to simply go outside (touch grass as the kids say) and stand in the sun. It's weird that a vitamin can be catalyzed by light, but then again we know very little about light. But I can say for sure that it moves at the speed of itself.

But here's a weird fact for you: did you know that you can put mushrooms in the sun and they will absorb the vitamin D for you and you can consume it later? So weird. How does that even make sense? What is this simulation?

I mention vitamin D because I can be quite the hermit sometimes. I could not leave the house for two weeks straight and be just fine. Quite the vampire when I want to be. Therefore I assume that I've been vitamin D deficient many times in my life and not even realized it. Ideally, I would touch grass, but in practice perhaps a supplement can help a little.

I may have to do more of a deep dive on vitamin D and sun exposure, but that's pretty much the exact reason why white people even exist in the first place. It's estimated that lighter-skinned people can create x4-x6 more vitamin D than darker-skinned people. That's a pretty shocking number when you think about it, but also it makes sense because there are so many disadvantages to having low melanin levels, so there must be a good reason why evolution took that pathway. I think I read somewhere that it took about ten or twenty thousand years for those who migrated north into Europe to fully adapt to that environment.

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I always get a kick out of watching ChatGPT try not to be 'racist'.

Oh yeah there is no difference but there is totally a difference though.

Conclusion

Eat fruits and vegetables. Sometimes the old advice is still the best advice there is. I think it's funny how people will go on a diet and say they aren't going to eat fruit because it has sugar in it. Really? When's the last time you met someone that wanted to lose weight but couldn't because they were eating too much fruit? The answer is never.

This is the problem when we look at things on paper. On paper, looking at a nutrition label, the sugar in fruit is exactly the same as cane sugar or, god forbid: corn syrup. I shouldn't have to explain why that kind of logic is extremely ignorant; there's no sugarcoating it (wow that's got to be my worst pun ever).

This is also the problem with supplements: we look at the label as if getting vitamins from a pill is exactly the same as absorbing them from a healthy diet. This is clearly false, but also it's just as ridiculous to fishtail to the other side of the argument and claim that supplements are completely useless.

Whatever the case may be: always remember that we tend to oversimplify complex issues in order to make sense of them. The understanding we gain from this abridged version of reality can be insightful, but we also must understand how much gets lost in translation along the way.

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Get well soon, you're still producing content so looks like you're on the mend. You'll be right mate, keep at it!

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As someone who is directly involved in this industry (I'm a physician myself), I have to strongly agree with a lot of the things you said. 😊

Something which I frequently advise to many of my patients are the benefits of a healthy diet and exercise, and I often expand upon what that actually means because a lot of them don't know where to begin. This is not to say healthy diet and exercise will be the cure or treatment for everything that someone might experience throughout their lives - indeed, there are many cases in which medicine is absolutely required (there's a good reason that life expectancy and life quality has increased substantially since the Stone Age!). However, preventive measures can be taken to reduce the gravity of so many common ailments that plague people today. The factors which we can control are those that we should try to control. And of course, when things do get out of control (as tends to happen in life), it's absolutely OK to defer to experts and make a decision.

Hope that you get better soon. If you feel worse, it's OK to go to a doctor! The vast majority of us are here to help, not to hurt. It's even part of our oath. 😉

Fortunately, Covid has not become quite as lethal as it was ~3 years ago. I still recall seeing hallways of the hospital abounding with patients, many of whom would be actively dying. I remember wearing that jumpsuit and constantly fearing for my own and my family's safety. It's good that we're past those days, but I hope that it's taught some people lessons about self-preservation. Stay safe out there.


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Vitamin C, Zinc, and Echinacea always work for me. I'm outside every day so I don't bother with the D. Whenever I feel something coming on I take those a couple times a day and very rarely does it get much worse. Of course, drinking those 2 20 oz waters along with taking them probably helps as well. I definitely don't drink enough water, but I do when I'm feeling a little run down.

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But what is a supplement if not part of someone's diet?

As a doctor, I can confirm you that supplements are both effective and ineffective.

Confused yet?

Let me explain.

Supplements are in a large part (regardless of what the manufacturers say) artificial. Like all medicines are. So we always prefer people get their nutritional requirements from natural diet itself. Supplements do not "necessarily" need to be part of a one's diet. Supplements are...well exactly what the name suggests - it is supplementary i.e. something that completes something incomplete. So if your natural diet completes "your body's requirement" of nutrients, your diet is already complete. Supplements are of no use to you excepts being "expensive pee" as you girlfriend says!

The same diet you are on might not be enough to meet the body's requirement for someone else and they then could potentially benefit from supplements.

Taking your Vitamin D situation for example. If you are not going out in the sun much, you could definitely benefit from some Vitamin D supplements. But if we had a clone of you with exactly same requirements and taking the exactly same diet - only difference being the clone goes out in the sun regularly to get his "daily dose" of vitamin D - supplementing him with Vitamin D would serve no extra benefit (could in fact be harmful if over-supplemented)

At the end of the day taking supplements is an extremely sub-par way of handling the health of a human body
An extremely healthy and well-planned diet is going to trump supplements every single time.

Astutely put! Doctor approved 😅

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Your roommates, you should show them the IgG4 results for those injections, that was quite remarkable of a discovery in the past week or two. Seems like they will permanently be in the medical complex queue if those results pan out to mean what it looks like.

Feel better man! I’m personally a fan of the C, D and zinc myself and add in Quercetin and NAC if it’s getting sketchy.

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I mean that's literally what conspiracy theorists have been saying this entire time.
The track record for 'conspiracy' these days seems to have skyrocketed to a more accurate level recently.

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Oh yeah there is no difference but there is totally a difference though.

lol.. classic chatGPT

get well soon!

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haha I came to point out the exact same. Love it when the line below 100% contradicts the line above LOL

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the best way to get your vitamines is through vegetables , fruits and food. a well balanced diet will do wonders!!

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Vit C and Zinc as you mentioned are probably fine just through diet. Depending on where you live though, Vit D could be super useful. Up here in Saskatchewan for example, we get less sun than we need, so even if we were to spend the majority of each day outside (which lots of us don't do, particularly in the nastiness of winter), we still wouldn't get enough vitamin D. So a lot of us take it, or are recommended by docs to take it.

Just before I got covid the first time, I had been taking a higher dose and when I did get down with the sickness, it was extremely mild. It still sucked, and my energy levels were shit for like two weeks after, but all in all it was very mild. Maybe it had nothing to do with the D and I was just lucky... but maybe not!

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10,000 IU Vit D3 in winter, with K2, Zinc copper, magnesium, NAC

Need to balance so one doesn’t cause deficiency in the other and resulting in unintended outcome.

I don’t need extra vit C supplements, I get enough of it from citrus.

I haven’t been sick all this time.

The problem with food today is they are lacking trace minerals. You can be full (empty calories) but not getting what your body needs. Fat and inflammation in the body just to tuck away excess toxins from the food and environment.

Mass production, chemical fertilizers, and depleted soil health is my guess.

Same for meat productions, antibiotics overuse, crowded unhealthy growing environment.

I buy from local independent farmers whenever possible.

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Grass fed or at least grass finished too.

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Supplements are not all made the same and have varying results based on brand. Also many supplements absorb better with food, or with fat, and others do better on an empty stomach.

It's crazy how much more there is to it than I used to think.

But good on you for the D and the Zinc while fighting anything. Mushrooms do magical things to your immune system as well.

Hope you feel normal soon!

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Isn’t the horse dewormer turned out to be a good early treatment that is safe and effective?

Ivermectin. Can’t buy them in Canada anymore since Covid. Hmm…………

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They're finding uses for it in cancer treatment/cure also.. meanwhile the FDA CDC and WHO claim that ivermectin shows no indication for 'coof' treatment..

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The FDA, CDC, and WHO are traitors actively conspiring to commit war crimes against humanity and genocide, capital crimes which justly condemn the guilty to death. Hanging the above named will quickly end the crimes ongoing, and it is apparent that the criminals fully intend and are actively continuing to profitably murder millions of people, necessitating the immediate arrest, prosecution, and execution of the murderous criminals guilty of these intolerable crimes.

The failure to do so condemns instead the millions of children they clearly are conspiring to murder.

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Add magnesium to your list and NAC.

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I always love how every time we go to the doctor they make sure to remind us how utterly irrelevant they are in so so many regards.

Look at how unhealthy they are. IMO fitness gurus are more helpful in keeping you healthy than 90% of the docs out there.

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"The medical industrial complex is probably one of capitalism's biggest failures. Even worse than infinite war and for-profit prisons."

I agree.

Get well soon and be well thereafter.

Thanks!

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