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Oh, Denise! This is the last thing I thought we'd talk about, especially adversarial. It is only the belief that frankness and truth can test a friendship that keeps me going, even though I have seen that this topic is the most generative of misunderstanding, anger and hatred between people, worldwide. As it is with you it happens in my small country, we have separated between those who still have faith in science, progress and medicine and those who have now discovered, with the help of Facebook, that they are free people, nothing and nobody should stop them from putting horns on their heads and destroying.... For me, ever since I was a teenager, when I started to read more and maybe understand something, it was a total misunderstanding that after a flourishing stage of human existence, characterized by the flowering of arts and science, philosophy and law which is still valid today, I mean ancient Greece and Rome, followed almost a millennium of darkness and obscurantism, misery and disease! The Middle Ages. I didn't understand how you could go on and on and on. It took me many years to understand. The Roman Empire was destroyed by Germanic tribes, barbarian warriors with horned helmets destroyed the Roman senate, a form of democracy ( even though it had degenerated and they were much to blame ). Then came the Middle Ages and the rule of the Church. Only the blind cannot see what happened in Europe, the Inquisition, in South America, the Conquistadors... and so on.
Now we want the truth and say they don't tell us the truth! But who has the truth? Why do we believe those who say it's wrong, that it's a lie? What are they basing it on? On what studies? The law of large numbers works everywhere. There are millions of doctors in the world, are they all liars?
Example: In Europe. Denmark, Portugal, Spain, because they vaccinated more than 80% of the population they ended the pandemic and the restrictions. They are now afraid of Romania and Bulgaria, backward but very faithful countries, who listen to what priests and monks say, that they will grow scales instead of skin if they vaccinate, that they have been injected with the number of the beast, 666 and many such things, in my country only a quarter of the population has been vaccinated. This will soon make my country isolated from others, it will make it impossible for me to travel abroad, besides many other shortcomings.
In our hospitals, but especially in the intensive care unit those who are admitted and die are 97% unvaccinated. Why is that? What have we been lied to when they say that the vaccine is the only solution to close this misery?
The solution of those who oppose vaccination, who want the truth (what truth?) is that there will be a natural selection, a mass sickness and the weakest (70-80% of old people like me) will die. And who says that? A great mass of people who have never read a book in their lives, but who are a godsend to the various crooks who can easily manipulate them.
I (and my wife) were infected with Covid a year ago. My wife still hasn't recovered, she is in a lot of pain and has a change for the worse in her general condition. Last week my daughter-in-law got infected, I met her without knowing she had Covid (she didn't know then either) and probably got infected again myself. Next week I'm going to get tested. I want to say that the first time I was very sick, now (it's true, I don't know yet if I got the virus, but as contagious as it is now, I don't think I'm out of it) and now I feel fine, just a mild cold manifestation. That's because I'm vaccinated. Same with my son, he has no symptoms. Because he is vaccinated.
I apologize, it was a huge surprise for me to see that you are skeptical! In Romania, enormous numbers of people, especially from the country, say the disease doesn't exist. There is an extremist party that got into parliament because of this propaganda of lack of freedom, lies, and the ineffectiveness, even the harmfulness of the vaccine, the non-existence of the disease, which they say is a cold. This party was formed by people from the football teams' galleries, how do they know about virology, medicine to have these opinions?
I know many people who have died from the infection, acquaintances, and even friends.
Things happen again! I fear for the future.
And I fear for our world and for the future. You wrote your name very well, Ilinca. Thanks!
I'm afraid for a dark century. I saw so many dark minds that came to light ... so many profiteers who want to destroy everything and use the manipulation of the masses.
Truly, I never thought I'd write anything about this especially with it being so controversial and I am anything but seeking that kind of personality. Because it is you, and, because I have always believed to be able to speak my mind with you, I give you this. It was probably a huge mistake on my part to even put anything in writing here however I did and I own it. But not in the way that you think. There is no hatred or anger in me, and, if there was this is the last place but I would post it all over, but I take that back, because if I get onto Facebook, that would be the last place that I would put it. There is a separation here as there is in your country but it is more with the people that have visibility than a nobody like me. I understand some things must be kept close otherwise many misunderstandings happen, but, this wasn't some war that was being fought and secrets let out. When the only thing that was being let out was misinformation that makes a person skeptical of any of the information. I am not talking about today but at the beginning where there was no truth because there really was no information. That is what I was talking about in speaking about the truth. It was pretty scary and a little bit horrifying to work in the health field and watch, wondering if it was going to be my time this day. Do you think I am an anti-vaxxer? Since the beginning of time, I have been there to make sure that people that are sick get the best Healthcare available. Since the beginning of time, I have dedicated more hours in my day to everybody but my family. Since the beginning of time, I have watched the world in horror as people are not allowed to say goodbye to their loved ones. All these things for necessary, but, that doesn't mean I have to like them. If that were my mother, I would want to see her but, it didn't justify the harm that it could do. I do realize that you and your wife were at all and believe me, I was sick about it. My sister-in-law also was highly infected and she still is not the same. That was a year ago. She did not get the vaccination, but, they had more to do with her autoimmune disease and nothing to do with her resistance to vaccination. However, my brother did not get it and they were together until of course, she got sick. They're still not sure why one would get it and then the other not, but, it was a terrible time and people in the family had to go and take care of her. My brother was incapable of managing it. I am sorry that your wife is having a hard time recovering. Life is so unfair sometimes. My prayers go out to you that you will not get sick again but if you do, may it be mild and swift in passing. As of three days ago, I know that a little bit over 56% of the country's population has been fully vaccinated. They're still learning about the immunity of covid-19. I think a lot of people who are infected with it develop an immune response within the first few weeks but they don't know how strong or how lasting that response will be. Only time will tell. People and get upset because the information is usually all on tan before they start vaccinating oh, but it must be understood that this was very different than what is normal. In actuality, the vaccinations are up 30% in one week, deaths are down 8% there is flu trending in Washington DC in Mississippi. Where I am living, only 61% have been vaccinated. These are the best numbers I can get and sometimes there are reporting lags between the states in the CDC. Our state of Vermont has the highest percentage of its population fully vaccinated, but even that is only 69.8% I have found that the highest number of vaccinations are in the New England states, which I regard as highly educated or with the most percentage of higher educated people. That of course is neither here nor there just something of note. I think that we need to work together to evaluate our cultures, practices, and services to identify the root causes of inequity. I think that everyone in the world deserves services that improve health outcomes for all, health equity if you will. I am not skeptical at all only because all you have to do is work one day in the hospital to not be skeptical. I have no animosity towards anybody that has been vaccinated. I have heard all the stories about COVID and its non-existence, calling it nothing more than the flu I can guarantee you that I know more people that have died from it. I can tell you that it is not pretty and I can tell you that anybody that has it or has it as you did would be very defensive about people spouting off about it. To this, I say oh, I cannot blame you, because anybody that has had it nose that is very real. I probably sound like a nut but I am still very worried about the world. We are so torn in two and I have never seen the likes of this in my own country. Even when it was the time of Vietnam and my country was at odds with each other, I do not think it was like this. This is a deep hatred for each side and even if I have a different opinion, there's no hate involved. For your own knowledge, I am vaccinated, and nobody had to tie me down or make me go. I apologize if I sounded like someone who wants to fight about it, the only thing I wish for is a peaceful resolution for my country in the world. I want to wipe this off the face of the Earth so that we may live again oh, I don't want my children to have the same life that I was fortunate enough to have. I want your granddaughter to grow up and live in a way to enjoy nature, smelling the flowers without fear of being without a mask. I'm not going to fight anybody for this oh, I'm hoping that people will want the same things and work together to figure it out. Right now, figuring it out means getting vaccinated, but, people are afraid of what is not known about the vaccinations. I can understand that part of it and I can also understand the part that without the vaccinations, we're going to be going round and round. So, I can see both sides of the circle, and frankly, it's exhausting. I agree that all those countries that are almost fully vaccinated have all but erased the numbers. The Delta variant spreads easier than the original and in order to get that herd immunity that they're working towards, 80% or more of the population needs to be vaccinated. Some people are relying on the information but if they've had covid they'll be more protected but that protection is variable depending on many different factors. So it's a crapshoot if you're taking your chances. Right now they're showing that probably close to 90% of people show a stable immunity or at least eight months after they've had the infection. They've been pretty consistent with that number so I have to believe that it's accurate. A positive result for you means that they've detected antibiotics and hopefully you have developed an immune response to it. You know that I wish you well and my hope is that the entire world will heal itself without coming to blows. Be well, Dan. Again, my prayers go out to your wife and your family. @bluemoon
Thank you Denise for your response. I knew in my heart of hearts that what I understood about what you were thinking on this issue could not be so. Of course, the theory of personal freedom sounds good but it may not apply. You, who have every reason to be patriotic and love your country, how do you think it would happen that the US would be attacked by who knows who and the population and military would be divided, some would say their rights are taken away if they are asked to defend their country. How about everyone does what they want? This world has been built differently so far and it has worked. I'm not a conservative and I want to believe I'm open to the new. However, I can't stand the sudden awakening of a free man's conscience in my fellow man who did nothing when he had to fight for freedom. It drives me crazy that they are like sheep, that Facebook has made them feel that they have discovered the purpose of life, freedom. Inoculated by others! I fear a movement like the Nazi movement that brought Hitler to power. This seemed unthinkable ten years ago, now it is very plausible. I say this observing the society where I live.
Forgive me! It is a subject that fills me with fear and anger. Precisely out of love and care for our children and grandchildren. Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do. What is set to happen will happen! The fact that I probably won't live to see it doesn't comfort me. I fear for Ilinca and what her life will be like.
She is so eager to see, to have, to know. She's so helpless, like all of us, of course!
Thank you, Denise, for not taking offense. I care so much about our friendship, the fact that we are so far apart and have many, many things in common. Without this friendship, I don't know what Hive would mean to me.
Believe me, living here has filled me with fear, something that is a little foreign to me. I take no offense, Dan. That is what open discussion is about. Even if we were on opposing sides of the coin, I would still want to talk about it.
I agree about the kids and those we will eventually leave behind. That is where my fears lay. Hopefully, we will be able to work together as a united world and bring it back to a place we all want to live in.
I don't think we are on opposite sides of the coin. I'm sure we want it to be right, even if we see it differently. As long as we are honest with ourselves I think we can be comfortable.
I don't think we are on opposite sides of the coin either. I think we just want the world to be right, as in we want a place that we can can comfortably live in. If we can't be honest with ourselves, who can we be honest with? It's been a long, long week here and I am hoping the upcoming week will be a little bit more forgiving. I am getting a little bit of liquid sunshine today and hopefully the sun will come out to play tomorrow. Have a peaceful Sunday evening, Dan.
Thank you, it was quiet. I wish next week will be kinder to you and we'll see more sunshine!