Is following a manually curated comment trail good for Hive?

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Gooday folks. Here's hoping you are having a day full of wonder.

About a month ago i came across this post by @elcomentador about [Delete auto-voting] his comment curation trail.

i replied in a comment expressing some concerns, and i was satisfied, for now at least, with his replies.

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i began the call to action steps in the above linked comment (copied and slightly edited below) to begin to support the project, but am now only just getting round to completing it.

More interaction and votes on YOUR comments

By completing the steps below, your comments will be monitored and potentially be [Delete auto] voted upon, subject to "quality".

i intend to monitor the comments which are being [Delete auto] voted and after a trial period, perhaps one month, i will decide whether or not to stay on the curation trail.

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If you would like to view the comments which this the trail is voting upon, there is an easy way to do so. i have detailed how in this comment below.
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Here are the necessary steps should you wish to test it too. Alternatively make a comment below, and i will tag you in a month or so when i have made up my mind:

  • Follow the Hive.vote account (@steemauto). In this post you can read in detail everything this app can do for you.
  • Follow @mahdiyari, developer https://hive.vote/
  • Vote @mahdiyari as a witness. You can read about why to vote him as a witness here.
  • Donate $HIVE or $HBD to the Hive.Vote project so they can pay for the servers.
  • Reblog this post or even this post (the one you are reading now) and share it with at least three (3) other users. @iliyan90 @valera7368 @savvyplayer
  • Leave a comment on this post with the word #TrailForHiveComments
  • Consider adding the Trail for Hive Comments Banner and link as a footer to your posts (as i have now done below).
  • Engage more yourself on the posts of others. Don't do this hoping your will get voted upon tough, do it for the highest good. Make quality, meaningful comments, and ask questions.

Additional Steps necessary to join the comment trail

  • Register/Login to Hive.vote and give posting permission to @steemauto
  • On the Hive.vote page, Join the Curation Trail for @elcomentador
  • Edit the Default settings ie. Tick the Vote Comments Too checkbox and any other settings you wish to change, but read the FAQ before editing.

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Okay! i think i have successfully completed all the steps above. Let's see how this rolls ....

What do you think about following a manually curated comment trail? Is it good for Hive? [edited]

Drop a comment below
To let me know.
Be sure that your comment i will read,
And for you i will plant a seed.

With Love
Atma

Ps. Have you seen my Autobiography of a Jogi - Diary Blog Stardate 1 post?


All photos taken by me with Redmi Note 9 Pro (unless noted otherwise)

To to further encourage engagement and interaction as a true community on our beloved blockchain, consider commenting more and even joining this Trail for Hive Comments. i'm now testing it to see the quality of the comments which are voted upon.
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Good to know that @steemauto (hive.vote) has added the trail for the comments!
Great work to the hive.vote team!

Namaste 🙏

Ще го направим на български видео може би днес namaste 🙏

@vaketo @projectmamabg @koychev22 @didivelikova @sillvie @anikad @snedeva @catgod

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Yes, this is great news. We will be able to vote comments through a trail.

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It is reasonable to set up an auto-vote for a writer who continues to deliver quality, it's a way to ensure he gets rewarded every time (since he is trusted to produce quality), but I don't see any sense in setting up an auto-vote for comments or even voting your own comments.

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For sure not for voting my own comments. I never do that, and am pretty sure that this auto-vote trail won't give my own vote to my own comments. i will check.

Also, i will be checking to see if @elcomentador will only be voting on "quality" comments with vote weight adjusted dependant upon the quality of the comment. This is subjective of course, we will see how it goes.

i am, for the moment, trusting that @elcomentador is doing a good job, but am reviewing.

See this comment to see an easy way to review the trail of upvotes on comments

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Would you consider it inappropriate for me to rate some of your comments with our trail from time to time? While our trail is not intended only for those who delegate to us or follow our route, if any of them make a comment of value or quality, we can encourage them with our trail.

What do you think about it, would you agree? We want to know your opinion, it is very important.


PS: I don't see your vote reflected in the votes we have given, did you activate the option to vote comments in Hive.vote, maybe you have your vote paused?

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No i think it is appropriate and would like to see this.

I fixed hive.vite issue. Voting threshold was set ti 100% so paused. Amended to 80%.

In peakd, if icon is not in menu bar, click on your profile item, then in chat

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Done, I just wrote to you by Beechat en Peakd.

And about the vote to your comments, very well, I will take that remark into account. It seems fair to me, although perhaps at some point we can make an exception. ;-)

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And, i didnt realise i hadnt delegated. I think that was not on your list of things to do. But now i have

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No self-votes, no bot voting. All our votes are manual. We go through each comment reading and valuing according to what we consider can contribute to the author of the post, as well as the effort and dedication that the author of the comment made had.

We are not perfect, like any healing project we can make mistakes, by omission and by commission. But we seek to value and encourage Hive users. We believe in engagement.

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I don't think auto vote to comment will contribute some value to hive blockchain. I have not tried the platform yet but on the base of my imagination ,i think it will promote Fake ,Spam . The purity of Hive will be compromised as people will suspect about comment and think its not done by real account holder.

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i understand your point of view, but if @elcomentador is reading the comments and is only voting (with a suitably adjusted vote weight) on "good" comments, which increase meaningful engagement, and thereby increase the quality of connection between users of Hive , then i see it will be good for Hive. As i say, i will be watching, and will report back.

See this comment to see an easy way to review the trail of upvotes on comments

Thanks for your engagement brother.

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I understand your position, and I share it. I wouldn't want to see Hive filled with spam or bot votes. That's why in every vote we evaluate that whoever is behind that comment is a real person, who genuinely interacts. We do not encourage votes for fake accounts or empty comments. In fact, we support a contest where they give answers to riddles or mental challenges and I have spoken with the author and promoter of the post, that from now on I will only value creative answers or that encourage the community, that the effort of author of the comment can be noticed.

I allow myself to vote for your comment since I consider valuable what you refer in it.

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For this Auto voting I'm yet to know how it works.
Is there any robot that do the auto voting for them or they do it by themselves.

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My understanding is that @elcomentador is manually curating the comments, but by using the hive.auto bot we are able to automatically follow his comment curation trail. Instructions are in my post above. Thank you for reading and commenting. i appreciate you.

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Thus, the votes are made by us, we do not use any bot for it. 100% manual, we only automate through Hive.vote the voting of the route, as many do to vote the publications.

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Well At first I thought the idea wouldn't be stable but after reading all the posts and writings,I think it's a nice initiative which I would love to be among and also support.

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Very pleased that you like our project. We look forward to continue making Hive a better place every day.

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Comments should not be auto-voted.

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You may be right. But what if the curation trail is being manually created based on the quality of the comments (as it appears to be in this case), and as a result, the person whose auto-vote has been applied goes to look at those comments and adds some meaningful engagement (if appropriate)? Could that possibly be a good thing?

That's what i will be doing. See this comment to see an easy way to review the trail of upvotes on comments

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To explain, I think upvoting comments is extremely important, because that´s encouraging engagement and interactivity (a key feature on this social platform compared to others), I do upvote ALL meaningful comments on my posts to at least above the dust treshhold.
But comments are very different in nature and not all warrant an upvote. A comment trail is fine, but only if those are manually selected. The header was about auto-voting comments which is a completely different story.

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Ah, i see. Yes the title is mis-leading. I will correct that. Thank YOU for your engagement.

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Here is an easy way to view the upvotes given by a user:
Go to https://hivestats.io/ and enter the name of the Hive user whose stats you wish to see.

In this case
https://hivestats.io/@elcomentador

  • Go to the HIVE section
  • Click on the Rewards tab
  • Select the Pending button
  • Select the Curation Rewards button

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Here you can see a scrollable list of all the posts or comments which have been voted upon, but have not yet been paid out (as the 7 day voting window is not yet finished). The ones at the top are the oldest ones and will be paid out soonest.

The left hand column shows an icon (a blue comment bubble if it is a comment, or a green pen if it is a post).

By hovering mouse pointer over the link, you can see a preview of the comment which has been voted upon, or you can click the link to open the comment.

You can also see at a glance (in column 5) the vote weight which has been applied. It is clear in this instance that the vote weight is being frequently adjusted (in the list when i looked - between 10 - 100%), so it looks clear that the comments are being human read, and voted upon based upon the perceived quality.

So far i have read (and translated where necessary) about six of the comments and reviewed the vote weight. i would have voted similarly myself had i seen these comments.

Now i am following the curation trail, i will very likely (time permitting) read all the comments and perhaps engage further if appropriate.

It's all looking good so far.

Good work @elcomentador

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First of all, what a pleasure to see a post from you talking about our project. I had been meaning to comment, but I've been busy. But I'm here now.
I should perhaps make a slight clarification and that is that the post you commented that time and to which you make reference here, was a request to the developer (I do not mention it to not make more spam haha) of Hive.vote to add the option to vote comments. Fortunately, we achieved the goal and now Hive has the opportunity to, through that app, set up curation trails to only vote comments or also vote comments. it's really cool!
I further appreciate the fact that you instruct others on how to join the trail and I'm more than pleased that you joined yourself. Rest assured that your vote will be well managed by voting comments that bring value to our platform.
I am both surprised and pleased that you passed the test XD, by evaluating us with Hive Stats. I know we are not perfect, but we seek to curate quality comments and to the greatest number of people. We want to keep growing and support like this is favorable.
We want to keep growing our HP and thus better reward those quality and valuable comments out there.
A big hug and continue with the commitment to 100%.
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Well that's a quality comment for sure! Thank you for your reply. It is much appeciated (and with a 100% upvote :-)

Peace be with you brother
Atma

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@comentador
Some things i have noticed.

  • A day or two before i made this post, i see @theycallmedan seems to have stopped following your comment curation trail
  • Since this post, i have had a very large reduction in usual voters and in rewards on my posts
  • i think since this post, my comments (and maybe posts) seem to have been shadow-censored.

This may be co-incidental, and i am investigating, but i have a feeling there is a connection. Have you been seeing my comments? https://ecency.com/@atma.love/comments

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Greetings, @atma.love. Indeed, since a few days ago @thecallmedan stopped following our trail. However, I can see your posts and comments from all front end (ecency, pekd y hive.blog) without any inconvenience.

On the other hand, I notice you've been posting lately on Dbuzz, do you always get good rewards from there? Because usually from there you hardly get any votes or much interaction. At least that's my experience.

Do you use Discord?

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I've only been posting on dbuzz recently because voters and rewards have dropped in last few day. Previously i was avoiding Dbuzz as i wanted to only have auto-voters and high rewards fir long form quality content

No i dont use Discord as it is centralised and censoring thus contributing to the #massmurdermachine
i use Bee Chat (on peakd) or telegram (for now but also censors and is centralised). For decentralise encrypted comms i use Session and Element. Drop me your choice (apart from Discird) on Bee chat please

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Can you leave me a link to Beechat? I've heard of it, but haven't used it yet.

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I'm gradually getting more active here. I can tell there is a thoughtful and considerate community here.

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Yes, this is more so than on other platforms. Yet we who recognise this need to be particularly thoughtful and truthful and kind with our posts and comments. yet not to shrink from speaking truth whenever it is necessary, even though feathers will be ruffled sometimes. As we do this we can help unconditional love flow freely throughout Hive and all of humanity. Aho!

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ps. Does Epicentre $EPIC have a decentralised community consensus mechanism to enable community governance in non-violent ways? i know that the lead Dev @snider of #Lethean (a privacy coin and DVPN) is investigating & intending to implement such a system for it's community governance. i mean, how can any project be considered as truly decentralised unless there is decentralised community governance system?

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"To begin to think with purpose, is to enter the ranks of those strong ones who only recognize failure as one of the pathways to attainment."
-- James Allan

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Great question @atma.love and as a community member of $EPIC since September, 2019, I can tell you non-violent community governance is definitely in the Epic Cash DNA. While this is and always will also be at the core of bitcoin's DNA, it has been twisted into an ASIC centralized perversion of bitcoin known as BTC making it impossible for ordinary people to have any valuable stake in governance.

The ECR token is the lifeblood of the Epic Cash ecosystem DAO governance model. ECR tokens are the non-violent instrument of governance held by our community members which enables us to create proposals and vote on them. This could be used as fundraising decistions for things like tree planting, contracted 3rd party code reviews, adjustments to the Proof of Work algorithm, and really just about anything the community deems worthy.

Hope this answers the question. Feel free to ask more. I love the engagement <3

-Izzy

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i did read about ECR. Remind me how they are issued and/or if/where i can buy, please

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There is an initial release of 25M and an inflationary supply to 8.88B that completes in June of 2028. This is illustrated here https://epicentral.io/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/EC210402-ECR-Emissions-v0.2.pdf

There will be various ways to aquire ECR. Airgrabs, earning via DAO governance proposals, and staking are some ways. Balancer Liquidity Bootstrapping Pool (LBP) is also being explored which is a tool to setup liquidity and it serves the purpose of making ECR available as well as finding fair market valuation.

The initial release is distributed to EPIC holders (10.8M), ECR DAO Treasury (4.2M), Advisors, Seed Investors, Ecosystem (5M), and the Epicenter Equity Corporation (5M).

The inflation beneficiaries are allocated as follows: ECR DAO Treasury 30%, Epicenter Equity Corp 30%, Stakers 10%, Welcome Future Freeman Fund 10%, ECAP 10%, ECR Governance working group members 10%.

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So has any ECR beem distributed yet? if i buy more EPIC will i get more ECR? Hiw do i join, or apply to join the ECR Governance working group?

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Yes, ECR has made it's way onto DeFi platforms such as quickswap and Polgygon but only in limited amounts to test functionality in liquidity pools. Early contributors have also received some ECR. There was a snapshot back in February for EPIC holders and that ECR should be released next. There could be another snapshot for EPIC soon. It was announced that there would be a second snapshot for EPIC holders but that was delayed. We should hear more about it this month. I'll ask some other team members about that.

I'll ask about the status of our existing governance workgroup in telegram and invite you. It will get more use as the governance website comes online and more people have ECR and proposals to work.

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Keep me informed please. i would like to propose that Epic Cash consider The Matrix-8 Solution bottom up, people powered, multi-level governance system for the Epicentre ecosystem community governance. And, i am sending you a gift of some Hive-Engine $GIFT tokens :-)

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So could i make a proposal to use, or investigate the use of The Matrix-8 Solution to use as the Epicentre Community Governance consensus mechanism? Perhaps you could investigate?/

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How do i withdraw EPIC i have purchased in Vitex exchange to Vite wallet please. I cannot find that option.

And how do i stake EPIC?

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Asset tab. For me it's the bottom right on my mobile app. then select transfer and select the coin and then where we want to transfer from/to

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Got it, and done it. Easy peasy now i know how. Thanks

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Awesome! Well done. Yes, there is a learning curve and they are working on an improved UX for us. My problem was forgetting to switch addresses sometimes and on the new address it would look like all my funds were gone! Actually opened a ticket for that one time and then was like... oh, ummm nevermind! hehehe They are a pretty cool small exchange with some interesting and FOSS technology

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When the energy in the community is right the thoughtful comments and meaningful actions can follow. I see this as the crux of what is happening in this thread.

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